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Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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Add to that quack remedies that can not work but which will make a profit for the snake oil salesman peddling them and we get a toxic emotional mess.
I've been looking at the UK figures. We only test those in the 'vulnerable' demographic who present with symptoms. So far that is some 55,000. Of those tested we have identified 1,950 cases. Of those 1950 cases 60 folk have died. Alarmists will see ~3% and worry. Realists will know that we have far more cases than that, some of who are asymptomatic. At the end of all this brouhaha I suspect we will see a death rate sub 1%, or one equivalent to a virulent influenza strain.
I suspect the world has reacted hysterically in the same way that populist leaders have been elected recently, driven by social media alleged experts, not by calm heads of reason. It's not a particularly serious ailment, though it is contagious. Most folk will catch it very mildly. Some folk will have a rotten time. Some folk will not survive. I've no idea which of those I'll be, and I'm unperturbed about any of the outcomes.
Like influenza, it will be around for all time, and be a seasonal illness. In due course a vaccine will be developed for at least this strain of it.
In our latest story announcement email I've invited all folk feeling worried or disconnected to come here and express hopes, fears, lonelinesses. I ask that people do not fearmonger, nor be unnecessarily cheerful. We help worried and lonely people by being realistic]]>timmy2020-03-18T08:49:39-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"I've invited all folk feeling worried or disconnected to come here and express hopes, fears, lonelinesses."
Well, I've been on self-isolation since Saturday, as I developed a repetitive dry cough rather distinct from the tail-end-of-having-a-cold cough that's plagued me since New Year. Fortunately, it seems to gradually diminishing, and I'll be moving to "social distancing" on Sunday. I desperately need to be able to get out for walks: it's about the only exercise I can do (due to a dodgy back). I was recently diagnosed "pre-diabetic" and exercise is a vital component of my programme to avoid transitioning to actual diabetes!
It's funny - although I don't get out much, and often spend four or five days without talking to anyone in the flesh, I do definitely feel more isolated. Some of it is the number of e-mails cancelling meetings programmed over the next three or four months - everything from Green Party meetings to meet-ups of my old schoolmates (we left in 1972/3). A fair bit of it is that my Mum (who lives an hour away by train - I don't drive) is elderly, housebound, dependant on two carers a day. As well as visiting for a couple of nights a couple of times a month, I'm much the nearest family member, so have been the one to sort things out when she's rushed to hospital, which happens every couple of months. I worry that may no longer be possible: train frequency is likely to be reduced as passenger numbers drop, and they're pretty much disease incubators anyway (I suspect my current cough was caught on an overcrowded train on my way from my last visit to my Mum).
Boredom is a risk, partly because the weather is keeping me out of the garden. Even the complete set of "Man form UNCLE" and "Star Trek TNG" pall after a while! But I'm well-stocked for food etc, and I have been touched by the number of neighbours, friends and acquaintances on Facebook who have offered to do shopping / anything else if needed.
So, yup, feeling frustrated at being cooped up, but also impressed by the way the community has rallied round to help those (like myself) less able to look out for themselves. And a bit worried, both for family members and also for myself - we all have "underlying health conditions".]]>NW2020-03-18T21:39:55-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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People can rude, thoughtless, selfish idiots at times and hard times often brings these characteristics to the forefront.
As a couter to all that I've mentioned above, I was at another large store on Monday purchasing a few food and other hardware items and upon leaving the store there was a lady therer with a pallet full of boxes of 250 count latex medical gloves giving one box per person away to any senior citizen who wanted one. What a lovely gesture on her part. Caring, considerate, and thoughful of the most vulnerable among us. ]]>Teddy2020-03-19T00:24:25-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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American_Alex2020-03-19T15:16:14-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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ust had a guy tell me that our governor, Kate Brown, is the Beast, 666, spoken of in the Bible, and that if I follow orders and refuse to go to church then I will receive the "Mark of the Beast" in my forehead and will burn in hell with the Devil and his angels.Sigh...There's no accounting for the level of ignorance displayed in the throes of a crisis....or even when life is going along as normal.
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Our announcements of deaths are quite appalling. "A male patient of 59 died. He had underlying health conditions [which means that was fine because the fucker deserved to die. He was less than human because he had those underlying health conditions]."
I find that deeply objectionable on so many levels. What do we get next? "He was Gay / Black / Chinese / Jewish / Muslim? That's fine. Only we white, fit, heterosexual Christians deserve to live?"
That is the only thing that has made me feel in any way lonely at the moment]]>timmy2020-03-20T08:16:51-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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Seems more than the tradiditonal two, but this is the Corona situation now]]>timmy2020-03-20T17:29:21-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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To continue the humorous side, because we must to stay sane...at least on this side of the pond the outrage is coupled with constant humor. Trump can't seem to open his mouth without being either self-aggrandizing, stupid or outrageous.
As a wit put together on Twitter this morning, after today's performance, here's Anthony Fauci, MD, in a state of chagrin!]]>Bensiamin2020-03-20T20:11:25-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"Bensiamin wrote on Fri, 20 March 2020 20:11"
As a wit put together on Twitter this morning, after today's performance, here's Anthony Fauci, MD, in a state of chagrin!
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Is Chagrin State in lockdown yet?]]>timmy2020-03-20T20:25:47-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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Continuing the humor theme:
The Toilet Paper shortage is because of the RAPTURE ... When the ROLL is called up yonder!]]>Teddy2020-03-20T20:48:57-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"Teddy wrote on Fri, 20 March 2020 20:48"
Continuing the humor theme:
The Toilet Paper shortage is because of the RAPTURE ... When the ROLL is called up yonder!
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I agree completely, but humor does have therapeutic (note British spelling!) functions:
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"Bensiamin wrote on Sat, 21 March 2020 02:55"
Timmy;
I agree completely, but humor does have therapeutic (note British spelling!) functions:
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Ah, gallows humour is not being unnecessarily cheerful. Instead it is essential.
There is a certainty that some of us will die from this. Being unnecessarily cheerful is your example of '1% man", who is clearly amusing himself by trolling.
Looking again at the UK figures, and remembering that we only test, thus diagnose, those who are both inherently vulnerable and also present with symptoms, our death rate from those diagnosed is 4.4%
Our graph is interesting:
It seems to be rather wide, but the forum seems to have started to embiggen stuff]]>timmy2020-03-21T09:40:51-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"Teddy wrote on Thu, 19 March 2020 15:31"
........ I just had a guy tell me that our governor, Kate Brown, is the Beast, 666, spoken of in the Bible, and that if I follow orders and refuse to go to church then I will receive the "Mark of the Beast" in my forehead and will burn in hell with the Devil and his angels......
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You must really live in Podunk! My condolences.....]]>American_Alex2020-03-21T13:52:44-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"Teddy wrote on Thu, 19 March 2020 13:31"
In addition to Alex's list above, our churches here in Oregon have also been closed down, thought I think it's a strong suggestion rather than an order at this point, but not sure of that. At any rate I just had a guy tell me that our governor, Kate Brown, is the Beast, 666, spoken of in the Bible, and that if I follow orders and refuse to go to church then I will receive the "Mark of the Beast" in my forehead and will burn in hell with the Devil and his angels.Sigh...There's no accounting for the level of ignorance displayed in the throes of a crisis....or even when life is going along as normal.
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I've seen a lot of church closures where I live as well, though so far (from what little I've read on it) it's more the decisions of the churches themselves rather than the government outright telling them to close down (though it could also, to a certain extent, be the churches basing their decisions on what the government is recommending as far as large gatherings - last Sunday (the 15th), the Centers for Disease Control issued a recommendation that no more than 50 people gather together, while the White House recommended the next day that it be no more than 10 people).
And here in America, it sometimes does seem like most of our politicians are in league with the Devil. I mean seriously, have you seen some of the stuff they do?]]>Mark2020-03-22T17:15:13-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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Instead they can offer direct help to people who truly need it]]>timmy2020-03-22T17:38:59-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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"American_Alex wrote on Sat, 21 March 2020 06:52"
"Teddy wrote on Thu, 19 March 2020 15:31"
........ I just had a guy tell me that our governor, Kate Brown, is the Beast, 666, spoken of in the Bible, and that if I follow orders and refuse to go to church then I will receive the "Mark of the Beast" in my forehead and will burn in hell with the Devil and his angels......
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You must really live in Podunk! My condolences.....
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No, not really, but it would seem that some people live in a continuous fog of conspiracy theory no matter where they live.]]>Teddy2020-03-22T21:14:42-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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As the guide said in big friendly letter, "DON'T PANIC."
But,if you find your self in a pinch you might ask your doc. to think about trying this.
Stuff is moving just need to get a overly large 🍊 dumb A** to shut up and sit down.]]>arich2020-03-23T05:03:52-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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https://m.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We -no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856]]>arich2020-03-23T22:49:28-00:00Re: Covid 19 - Coronavirus
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