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marc
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Is it the right thing to do when the father drives through town and comments on comments of the group of black people waiting at the crosswalk with the "N" word used predominately?
The parent is exhibiting values..... His values.....
How can this be good fot the child?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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robert bryce
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both these posts go beyond the bounds of being silly.It is beyond me that anyone can take the original post topic and twist it so.Any respectable person can readily see that these two above responses are patently absurd.There is a diference between teaching VALUES and teaching bigotry and hatered....rob
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Many people's values are entrenched in bigotry. Their parents were taught, they were taught, they are teaching their children.
As Marc said, on a trip to the store, a parent can teach his child to cheat, to lie, to steal, to hate. All the child has to do is watch and learn.
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robert bryce
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i think bible thumping is one heck of a good pasttime...Sounds to me that a lot of people dont like thunking bibles or is it bibles that dont thunk or maybe people that dont thunk...hehehe...rob
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robert bryce
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A rather serious question if I may.Just what message is being taught on this forum???...rob
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robert bryce
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Interesting thought..67% go to church,thats 230,000,000 people and if each drops 5$ into the pot each week,thats a billion bucks a week or some 50 billion per year...sounds like some of us should be in the bible thumping business....I guess us Yanks are on to a good thing...rob
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ch.oo.lo
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Rob, are you asking this to be disruptful/as another one of your 'traps'? or do you honestly not know? To tell you the truth, I'm actually afraid to answer your question with anything other than my question because it's more than likely my answer will be unsatisfactory and will be shot down, by you. If it turns out that you're serious, then I'll answer. But at the moment I don't know, so I'll wait.
By the way, no offense meant with the question above but I couldn't really think of another way to ask and get my point across.
-Ch.Oo.Lo
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robert bryce
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I have it on good authority that many of the early American settlers brought their values with the from across the sea.Now I wonder where all that bigotry came from????????....rob
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robert bryce
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Im sorry you feel that way,most of my questions are pretty serious,There are some that misread my posts and trash them,this could have been a delightdful open and informative thread,but it got trashed and that makes me unhappy...Ill say this again and let me make it pretty clear--I sense an anti GOD view here,a mish-mash of values and an anti-religious point of view.Heck,people are rightfully entitled to their viewpoint.No argument there..What I am is shocked and very shaken by the person I respected the most to litterly trash my concepts and ideals and with such heat....rob
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ch.oo.lo
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I'm afraid I must be one of those people who 'misreads' your posts. Frankly, there have been several of them which have made my mouth drop open I was so surprised by your negative and vehement response.
I wasn't necessarily trying to 'trash your post' but I didn't want to respond and then have my answer called stupid and wrong (which is what happens quite a bit except you use bigger words).
If your pro God view is valid then so is any anti God view. Provided there is a better reason than "God is stupid" or "Because I said so". (Which, after reading your post again, I realize you already said... sorry about that)
You can't be surprised by your posts getting trashed Rob. Honestly, you can't. What you say in your posts can be expressed much more tactfully.
Here's something I posted earlier, I don't think you read it but if you did, just ignore it this time:
You don't like your ideas being attacked, that's completely understandable, most people don't. But then, you go and do the exact same thing to other people without much of a reason as to why. I'm not really sure how this started, nor do I need/want to. There were a number of times when you said some things that weren't /that/ nice, but they weren't mean either, where I couldn't tell whether or not you were kidding. You should use smileys more. People can't see your face or hear the tone of your voice, that puts people on the defensive quite a bit. It seems almost as though you have 2 very seperate distinct personalities. You have the one which feels the need to disagree with nearly everything, despite the fact that you state that that is not your intention. Then there is the one which pops up after you are repremanded for doing such. You often say 'I'm sorry, these are my views, I will leave/take a break', then people come and say 'No, no, you don't have to' thus inviting you to stay and keep on with ths cycle.
I'm definitely not saying that you should not express your views, thoughts or feelings, that would make me a hypocrite. Perhaps it is not your posts that anger people but the way in which you do so. I do believe you used the words convoluted, twisted, and crud in reference to Steve's clearly well thought out post. Don't. Plain and simple, don't say that. Well, actually, /do/ say things like that but don't say it quite that way.
Another thing, don't apologize just don't do it again. Timmy's warnings often illict an apology from you, and yet you do the same thing over and over. And get angry when people 'yell' (well, not yell, but you know) at you. end
I'm not going to argue about this with you... unless you want to (and if you do, I'm not going to do it here). You can slam me if you want, it doesn't hurt me like it does other people.
-Ch.Oo.Lo
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To no one in particular but to everyone.
Remember to show due respect to all faiths while we discuss a sensitive topic. It is great to be able to share views and learn from one another. That serves to allow us all to grow in positive way. Provided of course that we show each other respect especially those with wich we disagree.
Just keep in mind that each of our views on this is correct for us but not everyone else. No one is on 'one side or the other' we are all on the same side, our own.
And please, no accusations should be implied from my words, this is a friendly reminder to my friends and family.
Have a good smile today ,
Kevin ;-D
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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timmy
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You know, that is very close to being it. But I am damned if I am going to kick you out of here for saying:
robert bryce wrote:
> Any respectable person can readily see that these two above responses are patently absurd.
Why? Beacuse that hits at me. I am respectable and I object to the inference that I am not respectable. But, because it hits at me (and one other) I will not, this time, tell you to sling your hook.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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That one insists come what may that his way must prevail. It does not prevail and will not prevail unless others agree willingly.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Learned values are those you learn from those you respect. Instinctively you respect a parent. Until you learn that the parent is simply human.
A value some parents exhibit is sexual abuse of their children. Statistic show that an abused child is likely to abuse children. There are a great many exceptions to this, but there is sufficient data to predict a likelihood, unless other influences show a different value system.
But the learned value is to abuse. And so abuse is perpetuated generation by generation.
It takes both good fortune and a strong character to break that cycles, and many children who were abused fear that they might also abuse others.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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robert bryce
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Registered: January 1970
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Never once did I ever advocate a pro-GOD view.I could care less.I respect strong people,strong in faith and strong in charactor although I am not too happy with myself at this point.I am of scientific bent,but I am not the smartest person in the world.All my life,I have dealt with precise and plain-spoken people.People that stand proud and have earned a fair ration of respect.These people all have many things in common and their values are pretty commonplace..A strong abiding faith being a priority.These are not empty or shallow men.Every day one can see a loving God concept shape and direct their lives,These people are complete,joyous happy and free and they share that bounty with others....now that we got all that out of the way,let me ask this one question----In the foxhole of life,who does one want to be with,the non-believer or the man who has an unshakable faith in GOD...Friend,I have been there and done that.......rob
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timmy
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You are, however, becomiung increasingly unwelcome. Doubtless you will argue that your words are not the peronsal jab we can all see the to be. And doubtless I will believe you.
I am sure you are able to recognise the sources of bigotry around you.
Equally, I am sure you have seen the TV Evangelist charlatans and rogues who get rich form the poor who make donations to them. I expect you have heard of L Ron Hubbard, too.
In the words of Dirty Harry, "Make my day........"
Which you can do in one of three ways.- Behave like the adult you are.
- Go away.
- Cross the line so I can tell you to go and enforce it
Any of those suit me fine
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Or so you are saying. Why are you here. You have free will. Must you attack us rather than (as the bible teaches) live and let live?
I just want to know. I don't want to see my friends hurt by you anymore. Please stop it.
May peace in your life find you each day,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
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I have a friend who is a Brahmin. His faith has more deities than you can count. And he will deny vehemently the concept of a single god.
By the way, we do not always need that word in capital letters.
I'd rather share a foxhole with a decent soldier who can get us both out alive. His faith, colour, nor anything else about him is important to me. His skill is vital.
Your question suggests that there is only one valid answer. It comes from the pulpit of a hellfire and damnation style preacher. And that style shows very little tolerance.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Your idea of what is right and virtuous and the rednecks are obviously different. But to the redneck he is as right as you.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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