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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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My "attitude" as you call it is brought about by your casual approach to this situation.
You already knew what you were going to do prior to posting this thread which requested "our opinion" in the first place.
You know fully how I feel about adults soliciting children. You know I would stop at nothing to see this looser placed in a room full of burly inmate weightlifters and gleefully watch justice done to him.... long... hard... deep... and repetedly.
What did you expect? Us all to cheer you in your humanitarian efforts to singlehandedly save the known queer world?
Sorry if I disappoint... it seems to be what I do best...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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That was rude, sarcastic, unfriendly and unworthy
XXX wrote:
> What did you expect? Us all to cheer you in your humanitarian efforts to singlehandedly save the known queer world?
Just because I do not agree with you that is no reason to behave in an unpleasant manner. If that is truly what you think then I am appalled that you have been deceiving me for a number of years. I don;t expect an apology, but I certainly deserve one, either for the words or the deceit, whichever is the untruth.
Frankly, if you would stop at nothing to see this guy beaten up then you have learnt very little in your life about the harm that others can do and the good that they can do. You are exhibiting arrogance and petulance and not a little of the bully as well. This is odd, because I know you to be none of these things. So why you are behaving in this manner, in public, for all to see, is beyond my understanding.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Yes it was. I was.. am pissed off. it wont happenagain. ever
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I have remained silent, cause I'm not to sure on what should happen.
One thing I will suggest though is:
One last reply to this thread should be made.
A lot of views have been expressed and argued over, it's time to finish it. Timmy, I ask for a final reply, one stating what will and is being implemented to the cure of this, and then the thread locked.
I'm tired of reading what has become a "witch hunt" of it's own members, and possibly deterring new faces from appearing.
Brian
To love oneself is the beginning of a life-long romance.
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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The first person to stop posting in the debate around this topic is the first person doing a valuable service to the message board community in general. It takes a big man to stand up for what he believes in, but it takes a bigger one to know when to stand down.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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I do appreciate what you mean, each of you. Regrettably this post will appear to disagree with you, but bear with me.
The thing I think you mean, hope you mean, is that strident voices should cease. You see the corollary of what you say is that "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing", which is doubtless a misquote, but you get the drift, I am sure.
What I beleve we need is for the heat to vanish from this. Not the people, and not the views, but the heat. Now this really means that a view, once made, is there for all to see, and needs little or no reinforcement.
Brian, I almost agree with you over locking the thread. I have not done so because some of the posts are attacks on me personally and I feel it is an abuse of power to do this.
What we are doing is simply what I have said. Taking quiet and civilkised actions outside the board and the net, and making Daniel aware that his behaviour has been hurtful.
He needs to understand this. It will do him no harm to see that some people would hound him down, too. That may be the kick he needs to seek help.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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... the support of all others here regarding whatever remedial actions will be taken regarding this affaire.
You have heard many of us voice our concerns, and whether you heed them, or disregard them, is not within our purvue.
I think that perhaps the most satifactory conclusion to this thread could be, for all of us, to simply to let it die ... with you at some point in the future apprising the Membership of what progress, if any, is being made by those most directly involved.
Warren C. E. Austin
THe Gay Deceiver
Toronto, Canada
"... comme recherché qu'un délice callipygian"
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saben
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On fire! |
Registered: May 2003
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I know what you mean and don't for a minute think that a totally passive approach should be taken. Rather I seek a "passive assertive" approach, whereby you can avoid confrontation where and if possible, without things getting heated and while still standing up for what you believe in. With this topic, even despite the heat and personal insults that have been flung I think that further "discussion" will avail little. The posts are just becoming a tired rehash by each party of what they have already said, little progress is really being made here other than people getting hurt by one another.
If it makes any difference, I, in essense agree with you Timmy, you are not totally without support. As a 19 year old I am just over across the fence of majority and I think while caution should be expressed there is no need to make a mountain out of a molehill. I also agree with Marc's statements within the post entitled "Pied Piper of Fairy Land....", there should be an investigation, there should be contact with this man's real life in order to ensure that no one else has been or will be hurt. But I don't believe a crime has been committed and quite possible the intention was never to hurt, either. It is also wise to err on the side of caution while trying not to hurt anyone anymore than has already occured, though. Attempting to prosecute someone innocent of a legal crime causes them pain, that is to be avoided; but then again so is the harming of other innocents by someone that it is believed is capable of dealing with them innappropriately. It is a fine line, but I don't for a minute doubt that you are dealing with it as best as you can, Timmy.
I sometimes wonder with the matters of lying online, when does the liar seek to tell people. I mean, from the beginning of the lie they know themselves that the 'game is up' so to speak and yet they go about indulging in their fantasies, which to some of us are quite more potential reality than total flights of fancy. I guess often it is simply the matter of the lie starting out small and unimportant but then as two people online become closer it becomes the very foundation upon which the relationship was built and as such the liar is inclined to keep it going so as to not hurt the person (something which is inevitable anyway). I guess it is merely runaway train effect, however when that train is forcably stopped by crashing into something it causes a lot more damage than if it was brought to a head earlier.
On the issue of fraud online though, here I refer to myself as "Saben", does that mean I am commiting fraud and should be reported to authorities for deceiving people about my identity? I know that is an extreme example, but everything that occurs online is mutual, there is always an off button. It is impossible for cyber rape to occur and even if things are planned online, until they happen they are not, in my opinion, a crime (especially since from what I understand even if things had gone according to plan it would not have been a crime either, in this case).
Sorry, I'm going on a little much when I was one of the very advocates of this topic becoming silent. I am over tired at 3 am and this issue in some ways hits close to home on a few different issues. I hope it can be laid to rest now, though, I am sure Timmy has enough different opinions on which to use or discard at his (and the involved parties' of course) discretion. Good night all.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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