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Re: Why aren't you working on the enigma code?  [message #29673 is a reply to message #29670] Fri, 17 March 2006 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Whip!

They have been working on that since 1941, and day before yesterday they announced that M4 had 2 of the 3 codes broken, now that last one is giving them a 'bit of a go'

Tell me about school, I am about 40 years out of touch and my oldest pseudo-grandson (how DO you refer to the son of a foster son?? He is not my foster grand-son, that would imply I was fostering him, which I'm not) is having his twelfth birthday Saturday next, so I know all about junior high. Still as bad as I remember.

What is your class load, what do ya like, plans?

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Re: Ice box  [message #29674 is a reply to message #29617] Fri, 17 March 2006 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Before refrigerators were called refrigerators they were called Ice Box’s. a
Re: AGAs  [message #29683 is a reply to message #29643] Fri, 17 March 2006 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Usually natural gas. Illusion (used correctly this time?) without benifet of heat. Some people have the fire lit while running the air conditioner on a July evening

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Wanna trade Recipes?  [message #29684 is a reply to message #29641] Fri, 17 March 2006 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Guarenteed to taste better than trading spit!

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Citroens  [message #29685 is a reply to message #29671] Fri, 17 March 2006 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>I have actually seen a Citroen. I was so shocked I just had to know what it was. Reminded me of a dead frog in the road.


Eh? I knew they had dodgy French engineering, but my car doesn't really look very different from any other small hatchback Peugeot or Volvo or Ford. What sort of Citroen was it? They make lots of different types, you know.

The picture is of a similar car to mine, except mine is white. The picture looks a little bit squashed to me, but you get the idea. I don't see anything dead-froggish about it, thank you very much!

Incidentally, what is a PT Cruiser? [Looks it up.] Oh, a Chrysler. We don't get many of those over here. Good Lord -- they don't look like cars at all. They look like heavy, round-edged tractors. Whatever happend to fuel economy? (I feel licensed to insult your cars now you've insulted mine!)
Wanna trade Recipes?  [message #29686 is a reply to message #29641] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Surely will taste better than trading spit

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Re: Wanna trade Recipes?  [message #29687 is a reply to message #29684] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This didn't turn up where I expected. The first time I thought it had failed to post, and so I re-submitted.

Sent as a reply to Brian

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Tea brewing factors  [message #29688 is a reply to message #29667] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Simon:
>what effect does the method have on the infussion of the tea?

Not sure what you mean. A lot of things can change the taste of the humble cup of hot English tea:

- the temperature of the water (very dependent on the altitude; you can't make a good cup of tea up a mountain, as water boils at a lower temperature),
- the temperature of the pot,
- the hardness of the water,
- the type of tea,
- whether the tea is in a bag or loose,
- how long you brew it for,
- whether you stir it or not,
- how much milk you add (if any),
- the type of milk,
- the temperature of the milk,
- the amount of lemon juice you add (if any -- I've never tried it, to be honest),
- the temperature of the cup,
- whether you add the milk to the cup before or after the tea (it makes a difference, allegedly),
- whether you add sugar (ugh) and how much,
- how long you leave it before drinking it (as soon as possible is best -- tea urns are usually dreadful),
- your own taste buds,
- and what you eat with it.

And so far, all I'm talking about is bog-standard tea (Indian or China), not special herbal or fruit infusions.

David
Re: FOOD food food food......  [message #29689 is a reply to message #29645] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My first dishwasher was a roll around - but I got a better deal 25 bucks! Didn't find out it leaked until I got it home.

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Re: Tea brewing factors  [message #29690 is a reply to message #29688] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Deej-

My god you over achieve! I'm impressed!

In your list you did not say the an electric kettle is better than one fired on gas (wood or coal but have never seen one of those) or microwave. Once you achieve a boil, and the only difference in the process is the heating method - is there a difference in the taste?

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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong  [message #29691 is a reply to message #29670] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>I can write a program in hexa- decimal

You mean you can write machine code off the top of your head? That's very impressive. What architecture(s)? To do what?

How does your encryption algorithm work? I'm actually really interested.

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c0b8 8e07 b8d8 9000 c08e 00b9 2901 29f6 fcff a5f3 19ea 0000 bf90 3ff4 d88e d08e fc89 e18e 78bb 1e00 c564 b137 5706 a5f3 1f5f 45c6 2404 8964 643f 478c be02 01c5 98ac c3a3 8101 c9fe 7301 910d d231 00bb b802 0201 13cd e872 03b4 ff30 10cd 09b9
Kettle boiling factors  [message #29693 is a reply to message #29690] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>In your list you did not say the an electric kettle is better than one fired on gas (wood or coal but have never seen one of those) or microwave. Once you achieve a boil, and the only difference in the process is the heating method - is there a difference in the taste?

Well, since the boil comes before you ever mix the water with the tea, I don't think it would make any difference. Unless of course, you are cooking on a particularly smoky stove and somehow got smoke particles in the water.

I've never heard of anyone boiling water for tea in a microwave, but I suppose it would work, provided that when it comes out the water genuinely is boiling, and is not just "hot".

One thing you can never do is reheat cold tea. The sheer thought of it sends shivers down my spine; tea just has to be freshly brewed. I haven't examined the process in scientific detail, but I would guess the reasons it doesn't work are that:

(a) when you leave tea so it goes cold, most of the delicate flavours go stale; reheating won't replace them, and

(b) reheating will likely curdle or denature the milk and any of the flavour that is still left.

David
Re: FOOD food food food......  [message #29697 is a reply to message #29689] Fri, 17 March 2006 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This one was brand spanking new.....

The homeowner had a kitchen remodel and decided on a built in so she didnt need it any more.



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Re: Kettle boiling factors  [message #29700 is a reply to message #29693] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK we're on the same page. Glass beaker (with 8 oz H2O) in a microwave reaches a rolling boil in about 1 and 3/4 minutes. (1200 w micro)

The rest that you said is a given. Get my bulk tea from ships that load for me in Teesport. Standard grocery issue.

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Does this mean anything to you?  [message #29701 is a reply to message #29691] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just that you have way too much time on your hands!
Just joking Deeej.

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Re: FOOD food food food......  [message #29704 is a reply to message #29697] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wiping up the floor after every use (small puddle) was still better than actually doing the dishes by hand. Had that machine for about 5 years until I installed an all new kitchen. Didn't move any walls, so standard '70 size but the layout is all mine.

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Re: Does this mean anything to you?  [message #29705 is a reply to message #29701] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Simon,

I have no idea what (specifically) it says. I just took it from the beginning of a program on my computer. Was wondering if someone can make head or tail of it.

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Re: FOOD food food food......  [message #29708 is a reply to message #29704] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kevin and I rent this place..... It's big with 4 bedrooms but the kitchen is so teensey you wouldn't notice it if you didnt know it was there.

We have been looking for a house we can afford but there is realy no rush. I want to wait until Kevin has graduated from college.



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Re: Citroens  [message #29712 is a reply to message #29685] Fri, 17 March 2006 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The one I saw was bigger and older. I know they said if you had a flat all you had to do was take the wheel off and you could drive it on 3 wheels.
Re: Citroens  [message #29714 is a reply to message #29712] Fri, 17 March 2006 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>I know they said if you had a flat all you had to do was take the wheel off and you could drive it on 3 wheels.

You're not thinking of the Reliant Robin? Now that's a silly-looking car. Smile
Re: Ice box  [message #29716 is a reply to message #29617] Fri, 17 March 2006 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In general it is because we have a smaller nation, thus smaller homes and thus less room.

Having aid that, mine is enormous, but by no means American sized.



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Re: Citroens  [message #29717 is a reply to message #29712] Fri, 17 March 2006 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brian1407a wrote:
> The one I saw was bigger and older. I know they said if you had a flat all you had to do was take the wheel off and you could drive it on 3 wheels.


Sounds like the DS to me. The 'self-levelling' suspension did actually mean that you could drive on three wheels, with one missing - but only at very low speeds (up to 5 mph), with the suspension set to highest ground clearance.

Citreon engineering was idiosyncratic, to put it mildly. As well as the suspension, which could be adjusted from the drivers eats from low ground clearance to high (and was effectively "off when the engine was not running: start the motor on a DS series and the whole vehicle rises six inches!), I remember:

one set of headlights that turned when you turned the steering wheel - actualed by a bit of cable that passed through the steering box and ran round the ngine compartment on a set of pulleys
- no selfcancelling indicators: citroen believed they led to lazy drivers, and only fitted them where actually required by law
- footbrake was a rubber mushroom-shaped button on the floor, which had about 3/8 inch travel betwqeen having no effect, and full emergency stop
- the handbrake wasn't: it was applied by a foot pedal (but released from a hand-operated ctach under the dash)
- there was a wonderful multi-purpose bent bit of metal in the engine copmartment that simulataneously served as the holder for the resesvoir for the windscreen washer, the attachment point for the gear lever return spring, and a pulley point for the headlight-steering cable ...talk about multi-tasking!

I loved the DS series dearly: I always wanted a convertible (ultra-sexy IMHO) ... for a while my father had a DS estate similar to the one below.
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Re: Kettle boiling factors  [message #29721 is a reply to message #29693] Fri, 17 March 2006 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Allegedly, microwaving tea back to a palatable temperature is the only way that doesn't affect the flavour too much!!!

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ps. Don't ask me to try it, I haven't drunk tea since one morning after the night before......but that's another story.....
Re: Citroens  [message #29722 is a reply to message #29717] Fri, 17 March 2006 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good Lord. I take everything back, Brian; if that is what you are referring to, it does look a bit like a frog. I make no pronouncements on its engineering, though I haven't been incredibly impressed by that in my Saxo; a few weeks ago, one of the brakes on one of the rear wheels spontaneously jammed, and I had to drive it out of the car park and onto a transporter with the wheel not turning at all. It made the most hideous screech and left a horrible trail of rubber behind it. A common problem, apparently, and it cost me a lot of money to fix. Since then I've been expecting something else to go wrong at any moment.

I'm glad to say mine looks like a normal car, though!
Re: Rolls Royce and Bentley  [message #29723 is a reply to message #29662] Fri, 17 March 2006 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Citroens  [message #29751 is a reply to message #29714] Sat, 18 March 2006 02:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nope,I was told it was a French luxury car
Re: Ice box  [message #29754 is a reply to message #29624] Sat, 18 March 2006 03:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TOUCHE' DAVID, TOUCHE'!

BTW, you know what an ice box is, silly! You just admitted it youself!

Understated British, my foot!

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Re: Ice box  [message #29763 is a reply to message #29640] Sat, 18 March 2006 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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touche' Brian this time!



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Re: Rolls Royce and Bentley  [message #29764 is a reply to message #29665] Sat, 18 March 2006 04:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes, deej, we had 2 or 3 larger models in the 1960s & maybe early 1970s. also some were imported or brought back by soldiers, etc.

We never had the 2cv or other interesting ones, but yes, dodgy & french. I worked at a place that was formerly an authorized dealer for Citreon, Saab & subaru.

You ever seen one of those little, old 3 cylinder,two-stroke Saabs (forgotten the model name- 850 maybe? no that's a Fiat.). They had freewheel like a bicyle. engine could idle down grades & while slowing. So efficient by prob outlawed by the safety authorties which also prohibited many nice cars entrance to usa afer about 1970.



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Re: Rolls Royce and Bentley  [message #29765 is a reply to message #29764] Sat, 18 March 2006 04:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: I think that as the price of energy continues to rise  [message #29769 is a reply to message #29663] Sat, 18 March 2006 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, reading old posts cause I'm awake and bored.

If you turn off yous stove in the summer - do you spend 3 nonths eating everything cold? (Opps were talking England edit that to read 3 weeks)

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Re: Does this mean anything to you?  [message #29786 is a reply to message #29705] Sat, 18 March 2006 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Deeej, I cant read hexa-decimal righ off the top of my head. There is a code book that tell you what each command means. The best way to write a program is in basic, then compile it into machine language. Our School has a code book for CC+ and C++. its a lot easier to just stick the disk in the computer and select the function you want and go for it. Im only two months into the really serious stuff, but I like writting little programs and watching the teachers go nuts. Especially when the teach says "What are you doing? We havent gotten to that part yet." since the code you typed was found at the top of the program, if its like most programs its the commands to set up the machine to run the program. Im not sure I got everything right and im still not sure how the computer uses hexa-decimal. the machine can only sees 1 and 0, on or off. I figure we will get into that soon if I dont look it up first.



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Re: Citroens  [message #29787 is a reply to message #29722] Sat, 18 March 2006 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep thats the car. Except, I think it was older and wasnt a station wagon.



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>If you turn off yous stove in the summer - do you spend 3 nonths eating everything cold? (Opps were talking England edit that to read 3 weeks)

It depends. Not usually, but a lot of people with an AGA do have another, smaller oven of some sort, and possibly some electric or gas hobs, so that they can cook things without needing to turn it back on again.

However, there are people who leave their AGAs on all year.

You're right, though -- summers in England are a collection of hot "moments" of maybe a couple of days, not constant periods of heat. The weather's very changeable over here.
Car costs in the US  [message #29801 is a reply to message #29764] Sat, 18 March 2006 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Europeans go in for small, economical cars because they are cheaper to run. The Americans go in for huge, uneconomical cars presumably because they're compensating for the size of a particular organ.

Petrol in the UK is about 90p a litre. That's £3.40, or about $6, per US gallon. I hate it when Americans complain about the price of petrol. According to my research you pay about $2.50 per gallon. That is obscenely cheap.

Tell me, what is the fascination with pickup trucks? One practically never sees them in the UK, except when driven by farmers and industrial types who really need them.

Oh, another thing: how much is car insurance in the US? Is it compulsory for everyone, or can you drive on the owner's insurance if a "named driver"? My car insurance this year cost about £1000 ($1750), which, for a student, is beyond obscene. But if I want to keep a car of my own, I have to pay it.
Re: Car costs in the US  [message #29803 is a reply to message #29801] Sat, 18 March 2006 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Greetings Deej

With the exception of about 3 cities, we have really crappy mass transit here so cars are integral to every aspect of American life. In the 1950 GM the largest manufacturer of cars in that day, was also the largest operator of metro bus lines in the country - and they destroyed the business so that...

Also, I don't know exactly how to say this, but the distances are greater here. A mile is still a mile, that's not what I mean, we just have drive more of them to accomplish what you do in less.

All that being said, you are right, the price of gas (petrol) is way too cheap. Since I've been driving the cheapest I ever paid was 19 cents a gallion - two stations on the same corner were having a price war, the norm was really 32 cents.

When I wasn't being given a company car ( Chev, or Ford full size - thou once had a 12 passenger wagon that my friends referred to as 'The Queen Mary')
my choices were Ford Capri, Toyota Celica, and Honda Accords. SUVs make no sense to me. Pickups offer some cartage abilities, but for the most part are just 2 person cars. Last year I drove 40,000 miles for business. If you must spend that kind of time in a car - it has got to be comfortable!

I pay about the same as you for insurance, (and if I type this Brian's karma will hunt me down and zap me) and haven't had a violation for anything since 1975.

For speaking almost the same language, the places we come from are drastically different. Perhaps less so now, and perhaps because of this.

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Re: Car costs in the US  [message #29807 is a reply to message #29803] Sat, 18 March 2006 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>I pay about the same as you for insurance, (and if I type this Brian's karma will hunt me down and zap me) and haven't had a violation for anything since 1975.

I'm still curious about insurance. Most of my knowledge about American life comes from American pop culture, and on television and in films, virtually all teenagers seem to drive and have cars. I can understand how an old car itself can cost just a few hundred pounds or dollars, but in the UK the thing that prohibits every young person with a licence from having a car of their own is the cost of insurance and maintenance, which come to thousands of pounds a year. I have had to work when possible, and set aside a really large chunk of my student loan just to run a car, and it is causing me a lot of financial problems. I don't understand how the costs could be much lower in America, unless people routinely drive without insurance (which is presumably illegal). Or is this because American television and films generally portray "rich kids" whose parents pay for their cars and insurance?

And, by the way, the mass transit systems in the UK are not very good either. Not nearly as good as those on the Continent. They are probably better than in America (especially for intercity type services), but the rail system here is still unreliable, and also very expensive. Despite the high petrol costs, it is cheaper for me to drive 100 miles cross country to see my grandmother than it is to take a train, by about 50%. (I know that doesn't take into account wear and tear on the car and insurance, but those are fixed costs, and I have already paid for those.)

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OK understand that I am no longer current. But when it applied, kids enrolled in school - through college, could be carried on their parents insurance for a fraction of the cost of a free standing policy. The thought was that the parents would police the kids and provide stiffer guidance if the parent's insurance was at risk for increase or refusal.

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Boring -- when you'd write machine code  [message #29809 is a reply to message #29670] Sat, 18 March 2006 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>they stick a disk in and fire up CC+ and think they are real programers.

Real programmers don't code at all. They design the algorithms and get some other monkey to write the tedious stuff for them. Smile

Actually, there is a lot to be said for C++ and related languages; and the trend these days is towards even higher-level, more abstracted ones than that. These days computers are so fast that in just about every commercial environment it's much better to write code that is simple, easy-to-understand and maintainable than that which squeezes an extra 0.5% of speed out of the processor.

The only times nowadays you might need to know hexadecimal (which is, incidentally, essentially machine code (a string of 0s and 1s), just in a more abbreviated form) are:

i. if you're a computer scientist learning about how a computer works

ii. you design microchips for a living

iii. you're writing a compiler to convert code written in a language like C++ into machine code

iv. you program mission-critical, embedded systems (like those that go into space) where it's essential that you can make sure you understand absolutely every single instruction the processor gets

v. you're writing a game or highly iterative mathematical program where you have no choice, as you just have to get as much performance out of the processor as you can, and the hours it will take to rewrite the code in machine code will actually pay off in time saved when running the program

Even then, you would probably use assembler, which is a rewritten form of machine code, designed to make a little more sense to the human eye, rather than binary or hexadecimal directly, which is incomprehensible unless you can memorise every single little opcode directly -- and on a modern Pentium processor, there are hundreds of them.

David
Re: Car costs in the US  [message #29810 is a reply to message #29808] Sat, 18 March 2006 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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>OK understand that I am no longer current. But when it applied, kids enrolled in school - through college, could be carried on their parents insurance for a fraction of the cost of a free standing policy. The thought was that the parents would police the kids and provide stiffer guidance if the parent's insurance was at risk for increase or refusal.

That is possible (and common when teenagers are learning to drive) in the UK, but the rules over here require (I think) that the car should belong to the policy-holder, not the student. So a student who owns his own car has to have his own insurance, at enormous cost.

That still doesn't explain how every teenager on American television seems to have his own car, though! Even without insurance, and ignoring petrol, running costs are pretty high for a car. Are the maintenance costs of cars in America cheaper than in the UK? Are the technical requirements for an MOT (a legal fitness to drive test, which needs to be done every year, along, usually, with a service) less?

Can anyone else (maybe who is more familiar with today's rules) comment?

David
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