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Cooking without garlic is like cooking without onions. But overwhelming the flavours of a dish with garlic, that is a fish of a wholly different colour.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I just received an email from jack. In it he has explained he was experimenting with us and trying to get a reaction from us. Apparently he attacked me and you all rallied round to defend me.
That reminds me of harry Nilsson's LP all to do with Oblio and the Land of Point. The music is not Nilsson's best, but he does make an interestintg song over seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear. And I guess jack thinks he has seen an attack and a defence.
I have asked jack to tell me what the point was. I have also told him he is welcome here and needs to behave like a grownup to remain welcome. I am mildly interested in the point he's been trying to make, but not enough to worry if he tells us or not.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hmm. Very strange.
I would have thought that it was quite obvious what the reaction would be. After all, Timmy, you are one of the best-respected people on this board. You have always been open and fair. People feel they know you.
On the other hand, we know nothing about jack. He has not bothered to register an account; he has posted no personal details; and he has got dangerously close to trolling on several occasions. I don't see how the outcome could have been anything different from the one that transpired.
It might be an interesting experiment (but also highly unethical) to test the reactions of the community to blatant trolling from a well-respected member, or to a verbal duel between two otherwise placid posters, and variations along those lines, but since what you did, jack, has been done so many times by anonymous trolls on other messageboards it is hardly original. Anyway, to be honest, if you are interested in that sort of thing, all you need to do is read the board history. There have been plenty of disputes over this board's existence already without you stirring things up too.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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You know, we know a lot about all the regulars here and are learning a lot about many newer people. We each earn or lose respect every time we post.
I agree with your message to jack. But he has simply been a minor annoyance. What I object to is his hijacking of the thread. Perhaps we can get it back on track.
He will have to learn to behave in a far less childish manner. The really silly thing is that, now, no-one respects him. But that is his loss. He will have to earn his respect, and that is now harder because he starts from below the place a new poster starts. His hill, he slid down it, it is now for him to climb it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hey, easy Timmy! I have to suffer NTL too! 
Mike.g
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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No wonder it smells peculiar!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Very interesting, timmy.
My experience is a bit different. I was motivated by a desire to be accepted & liked, perhaps because I felt I wasn't by father & older brothers. I was also different than most guys in my scientific interests, reading, cooking, art, photography, electronics, & chemistry experimentation, etc & this combined with a social awkwardness & shy-inferiority complexes made me made me act & seem different than most boys.
Nevertheless I was the pursuer though out of a desperate desire to be loved & accepted rather than desire to be idolized, looked up to , & sans any machismo entirely. I was skinny, slender, anti-sports, liked pretty colored clothes and grew my hair long as soon as I was allowed.
Though enamored with males bodies I never considered penetration as an outlet to any feelings inside of me. Once experienced in gay sex I still didn't desire either, rather my best sexual experiences still being the doing the 69 thing in sleeping bags on camping trips. The experiences were better than any self love I could ever concoct, being exceedingly tender & sensitive, initially administered by a chubby younger boy with a tiny pecker who just had some gifts to know how to thrill a guy. Whoever started it, it would proceed in a slow, tantalizing maneuvers, each of us mirroring what the other had done. It was truly a dance of sorts, not focusing on the same steps too long , but stimulating about every sense a guy could have in those religions. It would go on for hours sometimes, there being rarely any rush toward climax, because the sensations we produced along the way were longer, better & stronger than any climax. I've yet to find another who'll take the time to play this game, but it has always been my top gay pleasures that I think no penetration event could equal in duration or sensation.
I appreciated your comments below as well Deej, as I had wondered about your thoughts & feelings on this matter. You have seemed somewhat non-gay or non sexual (if you can imagine what I'm struggling to express); more male than anything and fairly well balanced, to me not fitting the typical ideas I'd had for a gay guy.. but then maybe I need to study all your posts further. Your mind seems more logical & technical than sexual but obviously there must be an attraction there, no matter how well hidden or covered by proper decorum. You're an interesting study.
Well timmy, for whatever it's worth that's my initial input. I think no person can know you better than yourself, or at least I've no further insight into your interesting experiences. Thanks as always for sharing your life with us.. Teddy
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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Handyman wrote:
I think no person can know you better than yourself.
Teddy, IMHO that is soooooo not true!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Hi Teddy,
>I appreciated your comments below as well Deej, as I had wondered about your thoughts & feelings on this matter. You have seemed somewhat non-gay or non sexual (if you can imagine what I'm struggling to express);
Non-sexual, yes (for the moment); non-gay, no (unless your definition of gay includes sexual, I suppose).
>more male than anything
more male than... female? Well, that's true, but I'm hardly stereotypically male. I don't like football (soccer), going to the pub, clubbing, (I nearly added birds, but that's pretty self-evident), or any of the things that most "male" students of my age seem to like doing. Perhaps I'm male in that I'm in many ways a geek (and geeks are usually male), but that's not necessarily a good thing. I'm not very good at relating to others, overly technical, often reclusive, sometimes a bit antisocial, etc.
>and fairly well balanced, to me not fitting the typical ideas I'd had for a gay guy..
Gay guys aren't balanced?  In my experience, most gay people are far more balanced than me (I'm rather prone to depression). Though I suppose that they may only be balanced on the surface.
>but then maybe I need to study all your posts further. Your mind seems more logical & technical than sexual but obviously there must be an attraction there, no matter how well hidden or covered by proper decorum.
Logical and technical is easy. It's how my mind works, and I've been practising it for decades. Sexual... well, I've never had an opportunity, so it's not surprising if it's not reflected in my persona. I reckon that some of my attractions will be visible from an examination of the posts I've made so far, though. Timmy is, I think, the only person who knows everything.
I haven't really thought about how my "gayness" might show to other people. It's good here, because it's the norm, so I don't need to justify it. I know for a fact that practically no-one in real life I know knows I'm gay, even though I'm theoretically "out", except those people who have heard it on the grapevine: no-one really cares, and if nobody asks me, I don't see any need to tell them. (This strategy has been wildly unsuccessful in finding me a boyfriend, however, so I'm wondering if I should change it.)
>You're an interesting study.
Hmm. Thank you.
Sorry, this post has turned out to be rather egocentric. It's flattering for someone else to tell me how they perceive me, because I am rather poor at telling that for myself.
>I was also different than most guys in my scientific interests, reading, cooking, art, photography, electronics, & chemistry experimentation, etc & this combined with a social awkwardness & shy-inferiority complexes made me made me act & seem different than most boys.
That description of yourself doesn't sound at all stereotypically gay to me, either. It sounds "normal". I've known lots of boys like that, and most have not turned out gay (though some have). Even down to having long hair, a fondness for nice clothes and so on. (Have you ever heard of that irritating new word "metrosexual"?)
I, for one, am not convinced that there is any natural correlation between campness (for want of a better word, sorry) and homosexuality. Most of the people I know who were camp growing up, and are even camp now, have turned out completely straight; and, though I don't know many gay people in real life, practically none of them ever conformed to any gay stereotype when they were younger. (I don't know if they have consciously started to now or not.) I wonder, has anyone ever done proper scientific studies into sexuality stereotyping? I am sure someone must have.
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HI Deej, thanks for responding!
Well,to begin with.. there are some markers that do seem to be fairly common to gay people. I don't mean to stereotype anyone.
You know gays range widely from intellectual, to sensitive & feminine, extroverts, introverts, exhibitionists, etc, as do all people.
I do think you're an interesting study, you have so many good qualities.. Sorry about the depression. I wonder what do you think causes that in you (triggers it, etc.)?
Boy, I've had my share of the same so, brother, you are not at all alone.. I used to get it monthly so I don't discount the moon's influence.
>more male than... female? Well, that's true, but I'm hardly stereotypically male. I don't like football (soccer), going to the pub, clubbing, (I nearly added birds, but that's pretty self-evident), or any of the things that most "male" students of my age seem to like doing. .
My dear Deej, in these ways I am also like you. Maybe the similarities are the reason for my appreciation of you. If I was across the pond I'd think that we could be friends. There are a lot of males, I think, that fit our description, not all are gay either. Many don't enjoy the party scene & long for real meaning in their relationships. This must be where the social skills should've come in , but alas, I had none. So I went on alone & depressed not understanding what makes the social world go round until MUCH later in life.
We males naturally have more logical minds & are fit for being independent & alone more than females. It's part of the hunter, gatherer, provider nature I think, just as is thicker skin, more muscles & a lesser emotional disposition. Unless learned in childhood we males have to acquire the tenderer & more socially acceptable skills I think. I still struggle to do the same.
A hetero man I knew once said he thought if it wasn't for women, all us (we?) men would be living in caves, eating out of cans, etc. A little extreme I admit, but he credited women with items such as silverware, tablecloths, & other finer items such as that! I see some truth in that..
Even though I think you are quite attractive, it's just unfortunate that we may go for years without ever finding a good friend of the type we'd imagine. So for whatever it's worth I'm here to encourage you & reassure you that you are quite worthy of someone's affections & valuable in your own right.
>Perhaps I'm male in that I'm in many ways a geek (and geeks are usually male), but that's not necessarily a good thing. I'm not very good at relating to others, overly technical, often reclusive, sometimes a bit antisocial, etc.
My dear friend, I feel a sadness for you born out of my own experience. Though you may be adept at technical things, the social side of you is wanting.. How well I know the feeling! For reasons such as these I'm happier now as older than I was as younger. There were no "good old days" for me to yearn for..!
All I can say from my experience is to keep yourself busy & involved in worthwhile pursuits, with quality friends & in attempting your lofty goals in life. And to not compare yourself to others. This can be a source of great depression and is a fruitless pursuit as we should fully live our own dreams, to be who we are. This is not to say don't try to become more well rounded. As perceiving as we are, we'll no doubt find weaker areas that we can privately work on to improve. I think those like us are more mature than our peers, so we actually don't fit in except with other more mature people. All our lives we'll have to choose who to associate with, who we're comfortable to be around. (Please excuse the wandering of the above paragraph, I haven't time to go back & rearrange it all. Some thought were added..)
When I finally found a relationship at age 28 I learned how much it means to a guy to have someone else to live & do for. Though even friendship was lacking, and sex was nearly non-existent & unfulfilling, I still benefited from someone to provide for. And though most my works were under-appreciated or worse it still proved to me the great importance of being active & involved in worthy causes, whether people or organizations. It's this intellectual & active fulfillment, along with as many friends as I could find to share my life with, that made the journey bearable.
BTW none of my friends knew I was gay, and none knew all my mind, I simply spread out my cares among whoever would listen & thus got relief, encouragement & a knowledge that there are others out there sharing same feelings. Also friends can occupy your mind, which, of course can be an enemy if allowed to run wild. I am still doing the same here on this forum as I assume we all are. Sharing the common human experiences.
>Hmm. Thank you.
>Sorry, this post has turned out to be rather egocentric. It's flattering for someone else to tell me how they perceive me, because I am rather poor at telling that for myself.
Your self perception will improve. I've had 20 years more than you to analyze myself & others. Our selves are in a state of flux for perhaps half our lives (from my experience) & it takes time to decide what's most important to us. The older-timers here can say if it ever really congeals, though I think mine is. Our experiences & future is (are?) always a question, though as the future is hard to foretell.
Well I must admit I'm not alone in being a bit intrigued by you. Like I'd said you do have many fine qualities. But being a bit socially awkward I don't see the point in hiding this fact. It seems to me it may warm your heart just a bit. Sorry if I'm too dumb to see the fault there. of course I don't want to offend or weird out anyone. I may have scared off some, perhaps, by being open & genuine, but I am simply not a good liar, and I haven't yet mastered all the romantic skills needed to just manipulate every situation to the best possible conclusion, so I just lay my cards on the table & trust I'll find another, someday, who'll do the same & accept me as I am.
Thanks for being friendly & open about yourself. I think it's partly these qualities along with your honesty that we appreciate in you, dear friend! I hope all is well with you & your schooling. I am proud of what you do. Feel free to contact me in any way if I may be of assistance in your life. I just strive to be a friend. See ya', TeddyB.
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Deej,
I must apologize, due to glitches in the 'machinery' my lasts edits didn't get posted for some reason. I did spend more time on it the above post than it shows.
The window lost it all & I had to refresh your message & open a new reply window. I thought all looked ok as I'd pasted the final draft from an editor I use, until after it had posted. Then I found the draft I was working on when page failed was the one that posted, rather than the latest 'paste'.
I have final copy here, but it's not much different except for better grammer etc. I tried hard to do a good job on it especially for someone who notices those sorts of things.
Teddy 
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:-[ What's a troll and trolling?
 ?? N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy,
You may be close to the truth but i think a partner that knows what they're doing can thrill a person more than one could do alone. must I elaborate??
A good partner can touch you from angles & in ways you never could yourself. A partner's unpredictableness of actions leads to unexpected thrills especially in the dark when we don't know what the partner is about to do. All senses are piqued in anticipation of where that next oh so light & tantalizing touch will be placed on our body!! ::-)
A partner's speed, touch, waiting & such add unique quality that even a machine probably couldn't emulate (don't know, never tried one). Oh, almost forgot: a partner can do things with their mouth on your body that would put you into a hospital if you tried it yourself at home..!! 
That's my two pence worth! TeddyB. ;-D
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well JFR
in that case i had no insight so that's what i typed.
i knew it may be generally untrue, but in the situation I was in regarding timmy's query it fit to some extent.
yea, I agree, others can often see us more clearly than we do ourselves.. you may go ahead & spank me if you like ::-) . My bad!
ooh that was fun! do it again!!?  hahaha lol kidding of course!
Teddy (the bad) Bear
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Now that all this has settled im going to do lunch at the Restraunt at the End of the Universe. Anyone like to come along?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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oh yea! me! where do i remem that name from..? Teddy
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It's funny how trendy middle English is becoming these days! "Yea" (pronounced yay, to rhyme with hay) does mean yes, but in an old-fashioned, Biblical (KJV) kind of way. Perhaps you meant "yeah" (to rhyme with hare), which is the modern colloquial way of saying yes?
Sorry.
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Handyman wrote:
> HI Deej, thanks for responding!
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> Well,to begin with.. there are some markers that do seem to be fairly common to gay people. I don't mean to stereotype anyone.
Well, yes... but the question is, it there a real link or not? Lots of straight people have those markers too.
It seems there are quite a lot of possibilities, of which these are only some:
- the traits are natural to all sexualities, but (perhaps) straight people are more likely to hide them;
- that gay people adopt them because they are gay;
- that those traits make a person more likely to be gay;
- there is simply a natural, genetic correlation
My traits (being quiet, shy, not interested in sports, pubbing or clubbing) don't sound either straight or gay to me. In fact, I can't see (and I don't think anyone else can see) anything about me that would suggest that I was either gay or straight (even though Timmy is sure that he knew I was gay even before I told him).
> You know gays range widely from intellectual, to sensitive & feminine, extroverts, introverts, exhibitionists, etc, as do all people.
Exactly -- as do all people.
> I do think you're an interesting study, you have so many good qualities.. Sorry about the depression. I wonder what do you think causes that in you (triggers it, etc.)?
Unhappiness.
> Boy, I've had my share of the same so, brother, you are not at all alone.. I used to get it monthly so I don't discount the moon's influence.
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> >more male than... female? Well, that's true, but I'm hardly stereotypically male. I don't like football (soccer), going to the pub, clubbing, (I nearly added birds, but that's pretty self-evident), or any of the things that most "male" students of my age seem to like doing. .
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> My dear Deej, in these ways I am also like you. Maybe the similarities are the reason for my appreciation of you. If I was across the pond I'd think that we could be friends. There are a lot of males, I think, that fit our description, not all are gay either. Many don't enjoy the party scene & long for real meaning in their relationships. This must be where the social skills should've come in , but alas, I had none. So I went on alone & depressed not understanding what makes the social world go round until MUCH later in life.
I don't have much of a problem if I know all the people involved (though even then I would much rather have a one-to-one conversation than go to a party with dozens of people) but I do tend to gum up if I'm not sure what to say, or how the other people will react. That's where I need to improve -- and, to be honest, that part has to be a facade. I dare say I will get better as I meet and get to know more people.
> We males naturally have more logical minds & are fit for being independent & alone more than females. It's part of the hunter, gatherer, provider nature I think,
It was the women who gathered. We men just hunted, I think.
>just as is thicker skin, more muscles & a lesser emotional disposition. Unless learned in childhood we males have to acquire the tenderer & more socially acceptable skills I think. I still struggle to do the same.
I don't know if it's "we males" or just "we" -- there seem to me to be plenty of men, gay and straight, who are very good at dealing with and getting to know other people. I think you're right, though, certainly as far as stereotypes go: women are more outgoing, men are more reserved.
> A hetero man I knew once said he thought if it wasn't for women, all us (we?) men would be living in caves, eating out of cans, etc. A little extreme I admit, but he credited women with items such as silverware, tablecloths, & other finer items such as that! I see some truth in that..
Well, we'd have cars and computers and medicine and all the nice mechanical things to play with. I dare say things would be a bit more industrial and less round-edged, though. (If you want to know what a world with just men would be like, look at a student residence made up entirely of men. Not pretty.)
> Even though I think you are quite attractive, it's just unfortunate that we may go for years without ever finding a good friend of the type we'd imagine. So for whatever it's worth I'm here to encourage you & reassure you that you are quite worthy of someone's affections & valuable in your own right.
I've never quite managed to get over the hurdle of feeling (nay, knowing) that I'm really unattractive and that no-one I ever found attractive could ever find me attractive. I also have a completely non-functional gaydar, so those people I find attractive are never gay.
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> When I finally found a relationship at age 28 I learned how much it means to a guy to have someone else to live & do for. Though even friendship was lacking, and sex was nearly non-existent & unfulfilling, I still benefited from someone to provide for. And though most my works were under-appreciated or worse it still proved to me the great importance of being active & involved in worthy causes, whether people or organizations. It's this intellectual & active fulfillment, along with as many friends as I could find to share my life with, that made the journey bearable.
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> BTW none of my friends knew I was gay, and none knew all my mind, I simply spread out my cares among whoever would listen & thus got relief, encouragement & a knowledge that there are others out there sharing same feelings. Also friends can occupy your mind, which, of course can be an enemy if allowed to run wild. I am still doing the same here on this forum as I assume we all are. Sharing the common human experiences.
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> >Hmm. Thank you.
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> >Sorry, this post has turned out to be rather egocentric. It's flattering for someone else to tell me how they perceive me, because I am rather poor at telling that for myself.
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> Your self perception will improve. I've had 20 years more than you to analyze myself & others. Our selves are in a state of flux for perhaps half our lives (from my experience) & it takes time to decide what's most important to us. The older-timers here can say if it ever really congeals, though I think mine is. Our experiences & future is (are?) always a question, though as the future is hard to foretell.
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> Well I must admit I'm not alone in being a bit intrigued by you. Like I'd said you do have many fine qualities. But being a bit socially awkward I don't see the point in hiding this fact. It seems to me it may warm your heart just a bit. Sorry if I'm too dumb to see the fault there. of course I don't want to offend or weird out anyone. I may have scared off some, perhaps, by being open & genuine, but I am simply not a good liar, and I haven't yet mastered all the romantic skills needed to just manipulate every situation to the best possible conclusion, so I just lay my cards on the table & trust I'll find another, someday, who'll do the same & accept me as I am.
Teddy, as far as "open and genuine" goes: it's probably a good idea to be slightly reserved when you're posting: to post a good, well-thought out argument less often rather than too much, too quickly (especially when you're giving your own opinions). I can see that you're an open, honest person, but often too much friendliness can be taken as insincerity. Maybe not so much in America, but certainly in Britain.
I very much appreciated your post. Thank you.
David
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yea Deeej,
it's colloquial spoken american english pronounced "yeh". like saying yes but without the "S". it's quite informal, used casually. but as all things lately: lazy dress, lazy language, lazy manners & all, is becoming more commonplace at all levels of western society.
Man, look at the English! used to be all prim & proper & stiff upper lip, but now excepting a few outstanding examples all that "has gone to hell in a handbasket" to use an idiom from somewhere. What do you think?? (that's only an opinion, I'm far from the mainstream, w/o even tv set! Guess i shouldn't be showing my arse or opinions..)
don't mean offense at all but have been surprised at the lack of the English character I'd assumed existed when i was growing up..It could've just been a fantasy anyway.. don't know..
There are yet quite a few differences between your english & ours. I relish the differences however. the english have so attracted me over the years as mentioned above. i thought we were the lazy, corrupt scoundrels & you all were the proper ones.. seems we've both slipped in latter years,, what do you think??
Yea, i admit it, i'm not to good at playing with the 'externals' of a computer either!! hahaha. Mainly shift key usage. I caught that remark from you in recent past! lol no offense at all!
See ya' later..Teddy
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Hmmmmmmmm
I'm considering all you've said. thanks for responding..You're right about alot of stuff.. Busy now, will consider it more later.. especially the speaking out so quickly part..
BTW the markers I meant were mainly lack of proper male role models in families that produced one or more gay tending children. That applied to mine, and to countless others I've known.
It seems to be a fact, though i know in the last 20 some years Born Gay has been strongly pushed by parts of the gay community & younger ones like you grew up with that idea in your head from constant immersion in it..
Some still analize to try to learn the real causes. A gay here that has counciled gays for years had just mentioned it to me before i wrote that.
he was analzing me as I IMed him & said he saw common markers, a large family & distant, rather than close, connection between members thereof are other "markers".
I used to ask gays who i drove in my taxi to the gay club in Raleigh if their fathers were in the military. Alot of them said yes! my dad was very cold & militaristic & similar fathers fail to set adequate good male stereotype for their kids. I actually prob followed my mom more in my nature for a number of reasons..
This isn't to say gays are bad at all. i just strive to learn the whys of life & enjoy getting to the truth of a matter as best I can. I hope this doesn't stir up a hive of bees! gotta get to work, it's mid day here!
bye & thanks again.. we'll talk more later.. Teddy8-)
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The problem I have with the word "yea" is that I have never seen it written down in a book -- neither a novel (as part of dialogue, American or otherwise) nor a dictionary. I've seen "yeah" all the time, however, and was wondering if you meant that word instead. We use "yeah", too, and often a slightly shortened version that might be rendered as "yeh". "Yea" crops up on messageboards and in emails, but since no dictionaries acknowledge it, and it sounds so odd to my ear (having seen it only in its older sense over here) I thought it must be a mistake.
>Man, look at the English! used to be all prim & proper & stiff upper lip, but now excepting a few outstanding examples all that "has gone to hell in a handbasket" to use an idiom from somewhere. What do you think?? (that's only an opinion, I'm far from the mainstream, w/o even tv set! Guess i shouldn't be showing my arse or opinions..)
Hmm. Oh dear, I can't really express an opinion on this without drawing attention to the British class system. The stiff upper lip is still alive and well in the upper class (which is, incidentally, tiny -- there is not much correlation between money and class in this country) and the upper middle class (mostly professionals). It used to exist in the lower middle and working classes (the rest), but unfortunately in the last few years everything has turned into an emotional free-for-all: look at the hideous outpourings of grief when Diana died. It's really unpleasant, because it demeans real grief. What's the point in weeping for someone you never knew, and who was never even aware of your existence? This is all spurred on by the tabloids and popular television, which pay huge amounts of money for emotional "sob stories" from the rich and famous, and even from no-one very interesting if they're prepared to come and make a fool of themselves.
>don't mean offense at all but have been surprised at the lack of the English character I'd assumed existed when i was growing up..It could've just been a fantasy anyway.. don't know..
Where did you look for it? If you look at soap operas or tabloid newspapers, you'll never find it. You need to look beyond that, in real homes, schools and workplaces. (It's no use coming as a tourist, though. You'd need to come and live over here for a while.)
>There are yet quite a few differences between your english & ours. I relish the differences however. the english have so attracted me over the years as mentioned above. i thought we were the lazy, corrupt scoundrels & you all were the proper ones.. seems we've both slipped in latter years,, what do you think??
You expect me to give an unbiased reply to that? Ahem, Bush, ahem!
David
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David, Im courious about the "I never quit managed to get ovcer the hurdle of feeling(nay, knowing)that im really unattractive....." Well ah who told you this, I need to have a talk with them. David, If yo actually believe this, then its the one time you have been absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong. Absolutely, possitively WRONG.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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I can give an unbiased reply. Blair ahum Blair:-() )
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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For beauty I am not a star
There are others more handsome by far
But my face I don't mind it for I am behind it
It's the people in front that I jar.
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In the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. There were three books in a series. They were "Dont Panic", "Life the Universe and Everything" and "Resturant at the End of the Universe". This made up the complete Hitch Hikers guide.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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>In the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. There were three books in a series. They were "Dont Panic", "Life the Universe and Everything" and "Resturant at the End of the Universe". This made up the complete Hitch Hikers guide.
Actually, there were FIVE books in the trilogy*, and though there were indeed three once, none of them has ever been called "Don't Panic". "Don't Panic" was what was written on the front of the fictional Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (which was not the same as the book Douglas Adams wrote).
The actual names of the books were:
1. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
2. The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
3. Life, the Universe and Everything
4. So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
5. Mostly Harmless
I think a good-natured "tsk" is in order.
Deeej
*Douglas Adams and his publishers continued to call it a trilogy even after the fourth and fifth books were written.
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That's it! Thank u Deeej. That's why i keep thinking that the answer to Life, the universe and everything is - Fish. Great books.
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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I have only read the trilogu. I had no idea there were two other books, but Ill get them. The book I have says Hitch Hikers guide to the Galaxy (Dont Panic). The english series was so much better than the movie, the series was so funny. Adams tried to cram three books into an hour and fifty minute movie, it didnt work.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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... of life, the universe and everything, of course, being
42,
and the ultimate question of which is (to the best of our knowledge, allowing for some error owing to the unexpected introduction of Golgafrinchan telephone sanitisers, management consultants and marketing executives to the Earth's operating parameters)
What is six times nine?
David
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If it says "Don't Panic" on the front, it is simply mirroring the fictional Hitchhiker's Guide which also says "Don't Panic" on the cover; but on neither is it an official, or even unofficial, title.
Do read the last two books if you can get them. I must warn you, however: the fifth book, "Mostly Harmless" is odd and rather depressing. That's not a reason not to read it, if you like Douglas Adams (there are far too few of his books already), but you might want to be prepared.
Also very good are his two Dirk Gently books. In the same vein, but not quite so weird and wonderful in setting (though just as weird and wonderful, if not more, in occurance).
1. Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
2. The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul.
David
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Jedediah
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Man! Deeej, you're so bright it's scary. Seriously - are you a genius?
Cheers
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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Hmm... Am I a genius?
From Wikipedia:
>A genius is a person with distinguished mental prowess.
Not distinguished yet, by any stretch of the imagination.
>This can manifest either as a foremost intellect
Foremost intellect? Nope. Lots of people at my school were brighter than me. Much of the time I spend cursing my brain for not being good enough.
>or as an outstanding creative talent.
Er... in the art of pedantry, perhaps. Not much else that I can think of.
>The IQ of a genius is usually defined as 140 or more.
I'm not sure what my IQ is, but I know for a fact that, non-verbally, it's something like 91 or 92. Most of the time, all that means is that I'm not very good at puzzles. Verbally, it might be; I can't remember.
>The term also applies to one who is a polymath, or someone skilled in many mental areas.
Ha, no.
If I had to nominate a genius on this board, I'd nominate Cossie. His dissertations never fail to fascinate me.
Deeej
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please could we not post almost 200Kb of picture? I don't mind relevant ones but this is just using disk space that I don't have.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I think you are correct, Brian. David is by no means unattractive. Quote the reverse of unattractive. He needs to get used to this.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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ha ha ha Both of you!
Yes Deej, apparently yea is a mistake. Sorry, it should've been yeah or yeh. It's been a long time since I had to spell what I spoke. I usually use more proper English in letters & emails (as best as I can muster..). Thanks!;-D
Teddy
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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Deeej wrote:
> The problem I have with the word "yea" is that I have never seen it written down in a book -- neither a novel (as part of dialogue, American or otherwise) nor a dictionary.
It's in my Dictionary (Oxford). It is also on line.
According to Webster http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/yea :
Main Entry: yea
Pronunciation: 'yA
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English ye, ya, from Old English gEa; akin to Old High German jA yes
1 : YES -- used in oral voting
2 : more than this : not only so but -- used to introduce a more explicit or emphatic phrase
yea
Function: noun
1 : AFFIRMATION, ASSENT
2 a : an affirmative vote b : a person casting a yea vote
Variation: yea-say·er
Pronunciation: 'yA-"sA-&r, -"se(-&)r
Function: noun
1 : one whose attitude is that of confident affirmation
2 : YES-MAN
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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second and more thoughtful reply follows:
RE GAY MARKERS:
>Well, yes... but the question is, it there a real link or not? Lots of straight people have those markers too.
* Just because some (straight) people develop one way in reaction to a given stimuli & others (gay) develop another way to the same stimuli doesn't mean the stimuli is not responsible to some degree for the resultant development. we have to factor in their personalities, predispositions, etc. It is a complex soup of conditions a kid needs to come up halfway 'normal' (pardon the term).
* Mean, absent or otherwise insufficient heterosexual male role models have caused many to not identify strongly as heterosexual males. This may be either as a revulsion to the bad role model, identification with a stronger female role model or simply insufficient knowledge of what a traditional well balanced heterosexual male is like.
RE INACCURATE NEGATIVE FEELINGS:
>I've never quite managed to get over the hurdle of feeling (nay, knowing) that I'm really unattractive and that no-one I ever found attractive could ever find me attractive. I also have a completely non-functional gaydar, so those people I find attractive are never gay.
* Please don't say that my friend. To me it is wholly inaccurate! Strive to look at it logically and allow the facts to begin changing your opinion:
1) You say >"...knowing that I'm really unattractive"
* Knowing indicates factual knowledge, not emotional feelings. All those who missed you when you were gone recently including Cossie, Brian1507a and TeddyBear KNOW that Deeej is actually quite attractive in one or more of these ways: a)physically, b)intellectually, and c)emotionally. these unbiased observers could easily conduct an unbiased study to prove that you are more attractive than not with unbiased participants. And certainly NOT "UNattractive" which connotes ugliness or repulsion to me..
2) > "..and that no-one I ever found attractive could ever find me attractive."
* Well, the law of averages would seem to be against that. Now finding that person or persons is a different matter. Alot of us like you but whether you like us in return is for you to judge. A lot of factors are involved in deciding how well you like a person anyway, and a lot of time must be invested to determine their true nature & whether their plusses out-weigh their minuses in your perspective.
3) > "I also have a completely non-functional gaydar, so those people I find attractive are never gay."
* Good subject for an upcoming thread ...Never gay? Do you know that, or just haven't found out for sure? Deeej I'm not aware of anyone who has any more than an educated guess if another one is gay, unless the other one has made it obvious..
RE BEING OPEN & GENUINE:
> "Teddy, as far as "open and genuine" goes: it's probably a good idea to be slightly reserved when you're posting:"
* You haven't seen me cut loose! That IS me being reserved!! hahaha!
> "..to post a good, well-thought out argument less often rather than too much, too quickly (especially when you're giving your own opinions). "
* I've given up on being well thought out. I just shoot from the hip!! haha, no.. but my weak cluttered mind can hardly follow a linear train of thought in it's most lucid moments, which don't occur too often. if i actually tried to think plan & research a topic as thoroughly as i"d like before posting, I'd have to go five pages back to find the thread that i was responding to.. i have too many scholarly unfinished studies to date. for me to attempt to keep up with the conversation & thought progression in real time is enough. Any more is asking to much from myself & i may not live long enough for my imperfect yet perfectionist mind to do any one thing to it's total satisfaction. I'll settle for a strong mediocre, anything more I acheive is 'icing on the cake'!
> "I can see that you're an open, honest person, but often too much friendliness can be taken as insincerity. Maybe not so much in America, but certainly in Britain."
* To think too much openness, honesty & genuineness could be taken as insincerity is a bit of a stretch for me... I cannot speak for British sensibilities..
* I'm not particularly proud of the fact that my heart is on my sleeve. I've tried 42 years to keep it under wraps with greater or lesser success. A person like me has to learn to live with it & handle the consequences of it if he cannot change his nature. Some appreciate me being this way while others discourage it. I try my best to keep it in check.
* The fact that at times I unknowingly say or do things that are out of sync with societal norms has bothered me no small amount. For years I thought I was a weirdo or just a strange bird (so to speak). Then my mom gave me two books which described others who had MANY of the SAME characteristics as ME!!! come to find out I am not so weird or mentally crippled after all. Come to find all the things I was called & accused of being & doing all my life were also suffered & shared by thousands of others, and they even had a name for it!
* It's a minimal brain dysfunction, like dyslexia. It's abbreviated ADHD. It has it's good side & bad side. I don't believe it's a disease per se, but more a description of a fairly good sized portion of humanity who think differently than others. i don't think linearly, but abstractly, covering many possibilities at once. it's not entirely random and progresses at a computer like speed so that i can come up with some creative ideas in short order. we're not all are cut from the same mold. But at least I find I'm no longer alone in my strange world.. others have it, it is recognized & there are proven therapies & coping skills (many of which I'd figured out myself.. like self-employment to cover for lack of cognizance of time & other abstract principles.)
Thanks for your reply to me Deej. It's late here & i'm tired.. This may not be the most well thought out reply.. consider the source.
Teddy
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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As modern colloquial English?
That definition specifies the old-fashioned, middle English version! So it supports my point.
I had already acknowledged the existence of the older word "yea", and was henceforth referring only to the supposed modern usage of it. In retrospect I could probably have been a bit clearer, but I think you are also slightly guilty of taking my words out of context, E.J..
Regards,
David
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marc
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According to Middle English Glossarial Database - Harvard University
There is no word listed with the spelling..... yea or Yea .......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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