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I'm really not. (OK perhaps a little)
I've read your signature a few times since I've been here, and I was wondering, (because I'm an old man and that is what I do best) how does karma apply to this thread and to the 51% of the population that hold in low regard?
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Simon
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It was I, myself, personally who said that hardly any Scotsmen wear kilts!
There are three main exceptions. Firstly, the members of Scottish regiments which traditionally wear kilts; some regiments wear tartan trousers instead. The kilt-wearers do NOT wear undies. Secondly, the members of Pipe Bands and Scottish Country Dance Bands, who normally DO wear undies. Thirdly, those working in the tourist industry; I suppose they please themselves but I’d guess that most do wear undies.
The vast majority of kilts and associated accessories are sold to those who are not native Scots but have (or claim to have) Scottish ancestry; US tourists are probably the largest single group.
In fact, the modern kilt is very different from the traditional dress of the Highland crofter. His kilt was much shorter – several inches above the knee – and was usually of plain material. He didn’t wear undies, so early tourists following a native guide up a Highland pass would have an interesting experience, as is related in the memoirs of several such intrepid travellers!
The romantic notion of the Scottish Clans and their Tartans is almost entirely a creation of the tourist industry, which is still a major element in the Scottish economy. Most Irish emigrants were driven out by sheer economic hardship, particularly following the years in which the potato crop failed; the circumstances were largely outside Irish control. In Scotland, however, the crofters had their tenancies revoked by their Clan Chiefs, to make room for sheep. They were forcibly evicted from their crofts, which were often immediately burnt and destroyed, and were forced to move to areas which were unsuitable for sheep-farming. Of course, an area unsuitable for sheep-farming tends to be unsuitable for pretty well any other kind of farming! Thus the crofters were left with little choice; emigrate or – in all probability – die of starvation.
There was no support from the more civilised Lowlands, where the population was substantially of Anglo-Saxon rather than Celtic origin; the Highlanders were widely regarded as uncouth and uncivilised. So the Highlanders emigrated in their thousands. ‘The Highland Clearances’, as this period is usually described, was a dark period in our national history, and the suffering was caused from within, not from without. It is a period of which no Scotsman can be proud. The strange thing is that, wherever the Scots emigrants went, they carried with them a rose-tinted image of the lifestyle they had left behind. This nostalgia was the seed from which sprouted the romantic notion of Scotland’s past. The modern kilt and all its trappings – including in most cases the tartan from which it is made – was a canny response to this business opportunity.
My paternal grandmother, who died at the age of 87 when I was 11 years old, had a favourite song, which was called ‘Granny’s Hieland Hame’. After half-a-century, I can still remember the words: ‘Far away in the Hielands there stands a wee hoose / And it stands on the breest o’ the brae / Where we played as laddies there, lang lang ago, / Though it seems it was just yesterday. / I can still see old Granny, a smile on her face / Just as sweet as the heather dew; / As she kissed me goodbye, wi’ a tear in her eye, / She said “Laddie, may God bless you!” / (Chorus) Where the heather bells are blooming / Just outside Granny’s door; / Where, as laddies, there we played in days of long ago. / ‘Neath the shadow of Ben Vrackie, and Golspie’s lordly stane: / How I wish that I could see my Granny’s Hieland Hame.’ This epitomises the rose-tinted image. In truth, ‘Granny’ was probably thrown out of her ‘Hieland Hame’. Certainly, so far as I have been able to establish, my own Grandmother’s family were all from the Borders or South-West Scotland – well over two hundred miles South of Golspie, which is on the North-East Coast, a long way North of Inverness. But the romantic idea had taken root.
I doubt whether any other nation on earth has the capacity for self-delusion displayed by the Scots! I am proud of my country, but I am proud of its REAL history, not its imagined history. Maybe that’s why I’m so reluctant to take anything at face value – and that, as you all know, is my principal and possibly most irritating characteristic!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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well you could put them in the dryer inside out and then they would come out rightside out
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... how'd you get to be such a genius?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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First Simon, I dont mistreat anyone or abuse them, even females. I try not to get angry or make rude comments to other people unless they really piss me off. I dont abuse females, but nobody said I had to like them. If you like females so much, you can have my share ok? I have a good reason for disliking and not trusting females, but that is my business. You have as Timmy would put it Hijacked this thread. In that case IM out of here and you can argue whatever point you so desspirately are trying to make. Im pretty sure its to show what a wonderful intelligent well meaning person you are. After all, Im only 15 and cant possibly be smarter than you are, Right?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Ah, that is false logic!
You see, there is an intelligent and malevolent force inside each and every washing machine that works not simply to turn underwear inside out: it anticipates what you expected, and then does the opposite.
It may even be psychic. So, whatever you do, do not think secret thoughts within a 20 metre radius of any washing machine, otherwise your clothes will quickly know about it.
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I was going to let this slide into oblivion, but that sent the wrong message, I have done nothing out of line. So, I am making one last attempt to talk to you.
1. you have not been accused of anything by me.
2. I did ask why you felt the way you do. I was not rude, I was interested, and my questions were civil and respectful. You DID NOT say 'it's personal, I don't want to talk about it.' Short of that, all topics are open and available. (and you did respond)
3. It is impossible to hijack a 'raw carrot' thread. They are floated to see where they will go.
4. I made no points
5. I did not talk down to you in any way, I treat you as an adult. If there is something to denigrate a wonderful intelligent well meaning person about, I would like to hear about it in detail.
Awaiting your apology, I remain
Simon
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... but I have at times misunderstood your comments, and I have a lot more experience at coping with misunderstanding than I had when I was a teenager! I don't think that it's your intention, but you do come across at times as being rather condescending to our younger posters. As I think I've said before, teenagers don't have the experience we decrepit ancients share, but they do have a level of imagination which most of we ancients have lost. Seems to me that we should complement each other - that way we'll have the best of both worlds!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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What exactly did you say?
Do you take issue with anything I said?
It is one thing to be condescending to everyone, and quite another to be condescending to only some. I don't believe I'm either, but would be most chagrined to to find the latter true.
I don't believe you serve Brian's best interests to run interference for him if you do not take issue....
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Simon
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I re-read my statment and I see nowhere where I need appologise. I dont think I said anything bad about you, altho you may think that i did. If your going to wait for an oppology, then you better pack a lunch.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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... and the latter IS true. I hoped you might see this for yourself.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Respectfully yours
Thomas
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having felt your knife
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Simon
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Of course, I'm sticking my neck in here, but it seems to me that this altercation has gone far enough. The thread became so convoluted that I have no idea where the argument stands. (And the fact that the software doesn't present the new posts in a logical order doesn't help me.) But one thing is clear to me at least, regardless of who is right and who is wrong: it is sad when a person old enough to be Brian's grandfather just cannot let the matter drop and die the death, but insists on trading blow for blow. Where is the common sense that is supposed to be the lot of us oldsters? Please, everybody, just let this matter drop. I would be very happy if Timmy decided to close the thread, but that's none of my business.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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One of those who feels aggrieved, please start a new thread with an unemotional summary of the issue.
If this new thread does not remain unnemotional I will simply delete it.
Those who are considered to have dome something wrong should then unemotionally reply
I have become lost in all of this. I didn't even see anything offensive. But it must be there or it woudl not remain a topic for duscussion.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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