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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Like I said.......
I regret posting here.....
I usually do.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
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Errr.......
That was in responce to David.......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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LOL man this thread has gotten so long I forgot who was fighting who. Sorry. The point is still the same. If you beat a dog long enough, the dog will turn on you.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Marc, If I said something that rattled your cage or upset you or you took as a personal assult, then Im very sorry. Were friends, and I wont Jepordize that. So Ill concede you are right.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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You know, it was impolite whoever it was in response to.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hi Brian,
>LOL man this thread has gotten so long I forgot who was fighting who. Sorry. The point is still the same. If you beat a dog long enough, the dog will turn on you.
The problem here is that the dog won't just turn on you, but it will turn on the innocent parties around you as well in an attempt to get at you -- especially if you are enough of a coward to hide behind them.
The main question of this thread, though, is not why the war is happening, but how can anyone resolve it without killing more innocent civilians. I don't think anyone has an answer to that.
David
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
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That may or may not be correct.....
but the rest of your comment was a bit off the beam.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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True....
but where then is the justification to kill off all the puppies?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc said,
>Like I said.......
>I regret posting here.....
>I usually do.....
If you criticise others, and especially if you patronise them, you should expect people to criticise you back. When they do, don't wallow in self-pity as if it's totally unjustified and came completely out of the blue.
It's evident from the parent two posts that you are trying to manipulate us all into feeling guilty, presumably as a way of getting your own back. It isn't going to work, at least not on my part.
David
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marc
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You actually have not a clue what is evident....
I am not trying to make anyone feel "guilty" about anything....
As far as this thread is concerned I no longer give a rats ass about it on any level.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc said,
>I am not trying to make anyone feel "guilty" about anything....
>As far as this thread is concerned I no longer give a rats ass about it on any level.....
In that case, why post multiple times saying you shouldn't have posted? The first time, okay, fair enough, you've let us know. The second time, it sounds like you're inviting us to reply. Either you are deliberately inviting a rude response, or you're trying to get someone to reply, or at least think, along the following lines:
- I'm sorry, everything you posted was really worthwhile and it's all our fault for not appreciating it
- I'm sorry, I was too harsh on you
- Actually, I really enjoyed this thread
- etc.
For example,
>I will be sure to not open another thread in the future....
What was the purpose of that line except to make us feel guilty? I simply cannot read it any other way. If you don't want to open another thread, just don't open another thread. You don't need to draw our attention to the fact that you are not opening one. Unless, of course, it's not actually true, and you're just making the suggestion it to provoke a reaction.
David
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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... that in a thread which is concerned with an ugly war in which innocent people are dying in ever-greater numbers, so many posts are concerned with bickering and so few with any rational attempt to discuss the situation with some understanding of the historical background and the very real difficulties which need to be overcome.
This is a horrendous war, but it is a war that was entirely predictable. It could have been avoided if the United Nations had shown any real commitment to preserving a buffer-zone in South Lebanon in order to prevent Hezbollah attacks upon Israel. There have been discussions and treaties a-plenty, but they are worthless unless all parties adhere to the agreed terms.
I don't adopt quite such a polarised view as Timmy, because I feel that Israel's past arrogance - particularly as regards the establishment of Jewish settlements in the occupied territories - has significantly inflamed Arab opposition. Nevertheless, it seems absolutely clear that the present conflict was cynically and deliberately provoked by Hezbollah, and in those circumstances I find it difficult to see how Israel could have acted differently. After all, Hezbollah is partly financed by Iran, a country which has expressed its commitment to the total destruction of Israel.
I am sorry that Nazz reacted so strongly, but he didn't actually put forward any coherent point of view - and I use the word 'coherent' absolutely literally, to qualify the words 'point of view', not as any sort of criticism of the way he expressed himself. The whole idea of discussion or debate - and personally I agree with the Oxford dictionary that in most situations the words are synonyms - is that a participant expresses a point of view. It's not enough simply to disagree with someone else; that's easy to do but wholly unproductive. Civilised courtesy demands that the participant explains the reasons for disagreement and puts forward an alternative view.
The war is the most important topic in the world at the present time. It is surely right that we should discuss it, and I hope we continue to do so. But PLEASE let us do so calmly and courteously - otherwise, the exercise is pointless.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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“On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.”
Thomas Jefferson
Dogmas are not exclusive to religions, though probably the root cause of most conflicts. I know it’s too simplistic to say we need to give peace a chance. I do know one thing though, If we don’t grow beyond this propensity for throwing bombs, rocks or cubs and even words that can be used as missiles that go straight to the heart at times, any time the other guy doesn’t fall into lock step with the way we think they should think or be, we are doomed as a species.
Oh well, I’ve always been a dreamer. It’s just that as a young teen here in the US during the late 60’s peace movement I saw it have an effect, even against great odds.
I often wonder if it could work again?
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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arich wrote:
> It’s just that as a young teen here in the US during the late 60’s peace movement I saw it have an effect, even against great odds.
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> I often wonder if it could work again?
Maybe it could/will, maybe it couldn't/won't. But for me - I make no prescription for others - there is no excuse not to try, and keep on trying. I'll admit that I was disappointed by the reaction to the (UK) million-strong original "Not in My Name" march, although I wasn't exactly suprised (the Aldermaston CND marches of my youth also had no effect ...).
I've been some kind of a pacifist since 1967 (when I was 12 ... and had to make the decision to opt out of the school Combined Cadet Force): that I am (perhaps belatedly) becoming more of a convert to the theory of non-violent direct action - more of a yippie than a hippy - may signal the onset of reality, senility, loss of youthful idealism, or just that now I'm no longer working I have more time on my hands.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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One thing I know for sure all these save the earth and peace groups are not what they seem. Ill be honest I am not a tree hugger. They all have hidden agendas. If you look close enough you can find them. I dont believe in starting a fight and I look for peaceful ways of settling things. If someone strikes my cheek, Ill turn the other one. It dont say nothing about the third time, thats when Im gonna take a piece of his butt. Peace only works if the other party wants peace too.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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