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What has me scared is if that is case how can I trust my self from doing over and over and over agin.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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I am sorry I am being so neg today. there is just so much crap going on in my life. and the trip i am on with my family is making it any better quite the oppiste. I would give any thing to be some where else.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Do not worry at all.
My job (and other people's) is to give you encoruagement to make up yor own mind.
Your job is to decide what to do.
Family trips can be pleasure or unimitgated hell.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Here, privacy laws prohibit giving out personal information from an employer.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Would you like to hear management people around a coffee table.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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marc
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About as much as I would like to hear about the assholes a proctologist sees in a day.....
Nevertheless, using personel information from employment records for other than work related reasons is a violation of the law.
Make a joke out of it if you have to but if the issue were to be pushed the consequences could be serious.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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The thing is, you are each right. Marc, you hold the moral high ground here and are 100% correct. But Brian is right in practice. These people exchange information unofficially all the time and get away with it all the time because no-one can ever prove it.
The other issue is "Take one employer to court and you never work again"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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First, if these recores are available to persons not in managment positions the company is at risk of legal action.
And, who in a managment position would risk his/her job over a phine # that the employee can get just by asking for it person to person.
Personal information such as address and telephone #'s are not, as a matter of course, handed about the lunch room table although common gossip would tend to flow like cheap wine at a monk's convention.
Ever since the USA installed all those anti-stalking laws and the privacy of information act employers are all too aware of the reprucussions of not providing proper discression reguarding personal info.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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It is the common gossip and "unofficial references" that are the issue.
"We're thinking of hiring Fred."
"Great, did you know he was screwing his PA?"
"How d'you know that?"
"Common knowledge round here."
In the UK we have even fiercer Privacy laws that the USA. So references, whch are available to the candidate, are written very carefully. My last employer's practice was to state "Fred worked here in the role of (job title) between that dates of (start) and (today/finish). Our reference policy in all cases is simply to confirm the role and dates for all staff members. No other information will be given" But over the phone, now that was very different.
Laws protect our rights. They do not prevent people finding ways around the ends.
And this is where the gay man or woman in the world of work may get caught, which is why you are so right to remind us of things that filter around the place despite the laws that were drafted to prevent it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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I think we are talking about two different things here.
I am refering to things like Address, Telephone #, social security #, Insurance policy #....
These are the things that can ruin a life if in the wrong hands....
And, anyone who takes information from these private files are taking advantage of the situation.
I am not talking about a coming out of the closit safety thing....
I am talking about not violating an individuals right to privacy....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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And.........
If Jason has been oogeling Brandon for some time the chances are that the other employees are already talking around the lunch room table....
It doesn't take much to get the rumor mill churning....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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The recores are made available cause I have to call if someone dose not show. they are not public recoreds. but you are also right I can lose my job. but i think it is a worth wild risk for me to take.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Sometimes a risk has to be taken. Heck the ecuse is "Damn, I thought he didn't show"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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