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I'm not so much of the opinion that learning music should be turned into a chore. Reading music and practice are pretty important, but it's more important that a person should be encouraged to improvise and explore his instrument (or voice) himself. If he does that, it's likely that he'll want to be able to read music for the purposes of expanding his ability. (If not, Paul Mccartney can't read music either, apparently.)
I have noticed that I'm possibly the only person here who plays the piano (at least, recreationally), so I'd probably better stop having a dialogue with myself.
David
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well let me expand on that. it no a voice in the sence that it talks to me. more of just thougts. like the deffent posiblity to an action or how to solve some thing i am working on. but most of time its just random. look i am not crazy. it just hard to explan.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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My fingers are too short to play piano well, however I do play violin. I started out with a 20 dollar fiddle and the suzuki method. Im in music class now and learning to read music and the proper way to play the violin (I actually love fiddle music and what they call country or ho down). Actually tho most rock musicians dont read music. They play by ear. Your right tho Deeej, people who play by ear are more unique or inventive. there is a boy in school who can read music and plays the piano. He cant play chop sticks without the notes being written down. He cant hear the song in his head or put notes together without writting them down. I can listen to someone play a song and after a couple of attempts play it, even improvise some so it has my own style. Its ok Deeej your not talking to yourself. I know you would love this, there is a Yamaha baby grand sitting in the living room here. Mom can play and I just peck at it.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Jason, Marc is pulling your chain. I dont think he seriously thinks your crazy. lol
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Hi Brian,
>I started out with a 20 dollar fiddle and the suzuki method.
Interesting. Does it work? I've never met anyone who has used it. It's probably too modern for us in Olde Englande. 
>Im in music class now and learning to read music and the proper way to play the violin (I actually love fiddle music and what they call country or ho down).
Excellent! Perhaps I could accompany you. I like sound of the violin, but I've never had a chance to look at one properly. Most string players are very possessive of their instruments, for some reason.
I really wish I had learnt an instrument for ensemble playing. Yes, you can play a piano with a group or even an orchestra, but only if you're really good. I'm not very good. I played orchestral percussion at school (side drum, timpani, glockenspiel, xylophone, etc.) because it didn't require a lot of committment and because I could read music. But that does not really count (pun not intended!) -- there's nothing creative about timekeeping, even if the rhythms are pretty complicated. Also, everyone thinks it's easy, which it is not (especially since in many junior school orchestras the percussionist is the only person actually watching the conductor).
>there is a boy in school who can read music and plays the piano. He cant play chop sticks without the notes being written down. He cant hear the song in his head or put notes together without writting them down.
I used to be like that. If I can fault my music tuition (from age 5 or so), it is that I was never told, "It's okay to fiddle around with the piano." I did compose a few silly tunes (I can still remember most of them) but, on the whole, I was told, "Stop making that noise and practice your arpeggios," which took much of the fun out of it.
The ideal time to capitalise on improvisation would have been at secondary school (where there were lots of excellent musicians and teachers), but by that time I had given up learning the piano, as my new piano teacher was not interested in composition or improvisation. Instead, the point at which I started improvising was when I was 18 or so -- far too late, really, to become good at it.
>I know you would love this, there is a Yamaha baby grand sitting in the living room here. Mom can play and I just peck at it.
I am sure I would! I love playing other people's pianos. They feel different and they sound different. Ours is a Hagspiel & Comp. 1890s or so boudoir (I think -- mid-size) grand. My father bought it 35 years ago because he had an empty space in his drawing room and it looked nice, not because he can play. That said, it sounds okay. Perhaps I could record it for you.
David
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From today's newspaper:
"Hearing voices in your head is normal.
At least that's what researchers at England's Manchester University say. They report that many of those who regularly hear voices - an estimated 1 out of every 25 people - don't seek psychiatric help and believe the voices have a positive impact on their lives.
Could it be the voices in their head told them that?"
Gary
Navyone
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That is in reply to Navyone's post above. The long link seems to have screwed up the page formatting. Sorry!
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It's not voices more of subconscious thinking than any thing else you coulds say I just aware of it.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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It does not sound like anything worth worrying about. It's voices with a source that you can't identify that are more worrying.
I often keep up a continuous monologue on a situation inside my head. Sometimes, if I want to remember it, I will even say key points out loud (as long as no-one is likely to hear me). This particularly happens when I drink alcohol, I suppose because I'm trying to compensate for the deadening of the mental faculties that comes with it by keeping them active. I don't find that a pleasant experience at all, so I drink only occasionally. That and that I like to be able to drive whenever I feel like it. Also that I'm mildly allergic to alchohol -- it brings me out in a rash and sometimes gives me stomach cramps.
David
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It makes me sleepy
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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I am not worred about the toughts. it I have never gone so long with out them to have nothing in my head expept what i am focusing on.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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That is more odd.
Have you been taking any medication?
David
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Whitop
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Boy, is this off track, or what!?
David, How 'bout animated T-shirts in color with voice-over introducing and interacting with B&W newsclips and home movies? Oh, the tales those shirts could tell!
Mac
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No I have not taken any of the meds that I have to take since my laps in good judgement. I take Pain Killer for the arm. High dose of Riddlen for the ADD, and ADHD.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Whitop
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Location: USA
Registered: June 2005
Messages: 73
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David,
You could record some of your iemprovizations and post them for US. Might help you remember them too.
I play slow things with music and feeling, but in recent years seem to spend more time on the computer and don't get back to the Yamaha in the living room. Maybe thus inspired, I'll try again.
Mac
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Whitop
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Toe is in the water |
Location: USA
Registered: June 2005
Messages: 73
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I would add that I had a band teacher in high school (with a very wide mouth) who could play two melodies on two trumpets at the same time. He certainly was thinking of both at the same time.
Mac
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Thanks, Mac. I'm convinced that it's possible.
David
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marc
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Sorry if I was trying to get my point of view across.....
I guess that's not allowed either.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Not "not allowed". But if you've already said something half a dozen times, saying it again's a bit redundant.
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marc
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Not at all if the point is continualy missed.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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But whose point are we talking about? It's Jason's thread, and half a dozen other people have now been involved in the subject. Just because we're talking about something you're also talking about does not mean that anything you say will automatically be relevant. If we are already agreeing on something (which we are, or at least I am), restating it won't progress the conversation at all.
I personally think it is too simplistic to argue that one cannot conceive of two tunes at the same time simply because it is impossible to hum them inside one's head. That is all. That does not prevent what you have said from being true; it's just redundant, as you've said it already.
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Ironically, most of the parent post is also redundant, as I have said it elsewhere in this thread.
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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You know something, Did I make the mistake of asking your opinion? no...
It just isn't worth it to try to converse here....
It is impossible........
FUCK IT!
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc has the right to say what he wants when he wants how many time he wants. I don't agree with him but I will stand by that he a right to say it over and over again.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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But don't beleave that just cause a sientist says it fact that it is fact they don't even know what most of the brain realy dose. seeing how we only use on avg 5% at any given time.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Sorry CRAPPY DAY it should have said
But don't believe that just cause a scientist says it fact that it is fact they don't even know what most of the brain really dose. Seeing how we only use on avg 5% at any given time.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Whitop
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Location: USA
Registered: June 2005
Messages: 73
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Some time after reading Deej’s early morning post on this thread, I was driving along Central Avenue on the way to renew my gym membership and verbalizing this post.
“In the ‘50s I was a Navy night fighter pilot; we were trained to scan continuously, (altitude, heading, airspeed, attitude radio direction finder) making adjustments with stick, rudder and throttle, tuning to the next RDF station, reporting our progress on the radio, without breaking the scan sequence. One night, alone in my Corsair, I was over Boston in the rain when they told me to change my flight plan, so while doing all the above, I recalculated the next three check points and my estimated arrival times and wondered if the Officers’ Club would still be open when I got to Atlantic City so I could have a much needed martini. I was too busy to notice if I was thinking sequentially or in parallel, but I was doing one hell of a lot of thinking in a short period of time. I also decided not to fly at night on instruments alone in peacetime ever again and stuck to it..” As I turned on to the street of my gym, (still verbalizing this post), “I realize I had braked the car to avoid the car that pulled out in front of me, I hurried up to catch the light before turning, and noticed that the radio was offering free tickets to a concert to the eleventh caller who answered what was the name of the area in the West End that figured in a movie with Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant – Notting Hill – and fretted because every time I had tried to call it that number was busy – forget 11th.” I also found the gym and renewed. It felt like I was thinking about more than my band teacher ever did.
Btw, when meditation was being pushed once, I tried to think about nothing, but could only think about thinking about nothing – which was not. I tried repeating mantras but only kept thinking if I tried a different mantra it might work and what does “it work” mean?
Does this help? Maybe not, but your thread sure got me thinking, Jason!
And thanks, Aussie, for the link to MU. Having lived in Japan for three years, that piece rang many bells, or maybe, gongs.
Thanks, all for a good ride, Mac
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Thanks Whitop, it's good to know the link clicked with someone and glad you got something out of it.
Aussie
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Jason said,
>But don't believe that just cause a scientist says it fact that it is fact they don't even know what most of the brain really dose. Seeing how we only use on avg 5% at any given time.
Odd that you would pooh-pooh scientific fact yet you accept without question that we only use 5% (or 10%) of the brain. It is one of those figures that is bandied around frequently without any real evidence.
As I understand it, it is more correct to say something along the lines of, "We don't know what the brain is doing 90% of the time," which is hardly surprising, given how complicated it is, and how poor our understanding of it is. If you've ever looked at a neural network, it is virtually impossible to understand how one part is affecting another part -- but often you will find if you remove a peripheral neuron that has no apparent purpose, the entire thing will stop working.
If it were actually true that 95% of the brain is redundant, then it seems likely you would be able to suffer enormous brain trauma and yet still continue as normal, at least for a little while. This is not the case.
David
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Never said that 95% was redundant I just said we are only using about 5% of the brain. That was meant as any part of the brain at any given time.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Hi Jason,
I'd be interested in a reference or link pointing out where that figure came from, if you have one.
Thanks,
David
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Whitop
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Toe is in the water |
Location: USA
Registered: June 2005
Messages: 73
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My dear pedagogue,
Here the word 'redundant' is right on. I think in your earlier post on this thread, 'repetitive' would have been the better choice.
Btw, I find very useful, particularly in this pan-Atlantic venue.
Cheers, Mac
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That would Be biology 2 AP (Advance Placement) that I took in high school a whole term was just over the human biology and it working, but I will be glade to go throw some book and the web to get you ref. Like I said in the profile I took a lot of adv class by the way AP at least where I live is an honor, means you more of an understanding for that subject. (I think that would be good way to put) Just because I talk and look idiot dose not mean I am idiot. LOL
Jay
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Um...
I do not see a problem with either use of the word "redundant". The meanings are subtly different, but both are valid.
"Repetitive" does not mean the same thing as "redundant". Repetition does not necessarily imply redundancy; if a point is necessary, it can be made many times without being redundant. But once it becomes redundant, this means it does not need to be said again. This was the meaning I meant to use, and as far as I am aware it is perfectly correct.
See:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=redundant&x=0&y=0
Parts of the brain are redundant in that some parts can take over from others in the case of damage. This meaning is less perjorative but equally valid.
David
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Jason said,
>I will be glade to go throw some book and the web to get you ref.
Please do.
I studied Biology to A-level (advanced level at school, pre-university) and never came across this statistic; I have heard it, I think, only by word of mouth from non-scientists.
Wikipedia, for instance, says:
>Although folklore would have it that about 90% of the human brain is dormant, this has proven scientifically unfounded; researchers until the mid 1990s focused on only a small portion of the brain in efforts to understand its computational capacity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain
David
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marc
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Deeej wrote:
> Um...
>
> I do not see a problem with either use of the word "redundant". The meanings are subtly different, but both are valid.
>
> "Repetitive" does not mean the same thing as "redundant". Repetition does not necessarily imply redundancy; if a point is necessary, it can be made many times without being redundant. But once it becomes redundant, this means it does not need to be said again. This was the meaning I meant to use, and as far as I am aware it is perfectly correct.
Does not need to be said to who?
Have you set yourself up as the redundancy police?
If that is the case, just ignore anything from me and I will be safe from your scorn and you will be safe from my redundancy.
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> See:
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=redundant&x=0&y=0
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> Parts of the brain are redundant in that some parts can take over from others in the case of damage. This meaning is less perjorative but equally valid.
>
> David
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc said,
>Have you set yourself up as the redundancy police?
I believe they're known as the Department of Redundancy Department.
David
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Deeej
>…the Department of Redundancy Department<
That's probably just a little too subtle.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Is this a portemanteau word for pedagogy and pedantry?
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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