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marc
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You again are right.
I will omit my opinions and fall in line as I should.
Thank you for causing me to see the light.
I feel ever so much better.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Marc wrote:
> You again are right.
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> I will omit my opinions and fall in line as I should.
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> Thank you for causing me to see the light.
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> I feel ever so much better.
Precisely what you need to give a break to. So SEE that light and act on it. Post well, with civility, assertively when you need to, not rudely. Be nice to people. Omit sarcasm.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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timmy wrote:
> Marc wrote:
> > You again are right.
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> > I will omit my opinions and fall in line as I should.
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> > Thank you for causing me to see the light.
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> > I feel ever so much better.
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> Precisely what you need to give a break to. So SEE that light and act on it. Post well, with civility, assertively when you need to, not rudely. Be nice to people. Omit sarcasm.
What I see there is actualy quite civil. I was metered, used concise language, was to the point, and again quite civil.
What more do you insist on?
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timmy
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I think I will open the floor to anyone who wishes to let you know. My rules are at the head of the forum.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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timmy wrote:
> I think I will open the floor to anyone who wishes to let you know. My rules are at the head of the forum.
By opening the floor... do you mean that you have had it closed previously?
I actually was wondering about that.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I'm not really a regular here, but since the floor has been opened...
Marc, take advantage of the opportunity that's been offered you to look in the mirror. Timmy is reflecting back to you an image of yourself that I'm sure is shared by others here. If it is uncomfortable to see that image it's probably because there's more accuracy to the reflection than you would hope there to be.
On a personal level, I've watched on many occasions when your actions have been unnecessarily hurtful to those who come here including myself even though I mostly just lurk here. I find Timmy's continued acceptance of you to be above and beyond the call of duty. He's a very kind individual and is to be commended. The reason you're still here is because all of us believe in the values Timmy holds and clearly states in the other thread on this topic. You are cared for here in spite of some of this stuff that goes down involving you, and yet it is very wearing on many of us.
We're holding the mirror up for your consideration, Marc.
JC
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Well, JC,
One thing that I don't like to see is when two people have different views and one writes some kind of amplifying item - a reason or a consequence of a view or offers further discussion and the other says "Oh well! I see I must be wrong. I grovel and accept your greater wisdom oh Lord!" and obviously this is insincere and that writer is actually refusing to engage.
To do that ends the conversation. It refuses to take the matter further and maybe find some resolution of the conflict. I hate it when a discussion ends by saying OK we'll have to agree to disagree and everyone gives up.
But what's the point of writing on this web site if nobody learns anything, nobody changes their view about anything and nobody gains in self-confidence or self-acceptance?
Please, if anyone else is reading this, don't do that. Reply honestly to someone who is apparently undermining your position and maybe you will end up showing him how ill-advised it was to do that. And I think sticking to gentle language helps the 'under-confident' people to take the risk of engaging in serious discussion.
I think the foregoing posts by Timmy and Marc are a splendid example.
Love,
Anthony
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timmy wrote:
I think I will open the floor to anyone who wishes to let you know.
I must be one of the first people who ever posted in this forum, all those years ago. I have stuck with it through thick and thin. I keep returning because this is like a club where I can relax with people like me and just be myself - something that I cannot do anywhere else in my world.
I have seen this forum go through several crises. They were always because one person - each time a different person - behaved obnoxiously. As I see it, this forum should not be a place where neurotic people can rant and rage with impunity.
And now to Marc. I think that Marc knows that I am a friend of his, someone who wishes him only well. I have rejoiced with him during the good times and tried to support him - even materially - during the bad times. Marc is a wonderful person whom I respect and admire in so many ways.
Marc has not had an easy life; that is something that we know. But his life has not been all bad just as it has not been all good. Sometimes Marc lets himself wallow in self-pity; when that happens he becomes an obnoxious source of insults and ridicule. Often when this is pointed out to him he immediately regrets what he has done (probably under the influence of medication). But sometimes he digs his heels in and becomes a self-righteous prig. Then he is insufferable.
Marc, I am one of those who have been deeply hurt by your callous rudeness - usually towards others. I cannot convince myself that your rudeness is unthinking because it often shows careful forethought. When I am hurt by something that goes on in this "club" I usually absent myself for a while, bite my tongue as it were, and wait until I can return with cheerful equanimity. I know of others - much younger than I am - who have been so upset that they have given up posting altogether. (I hope that one day they too will reconsider.)
The latest altercation with Timmy is most distressing. You cannot let Timmy have the last word. You have to add reposte to reposte to show your oneupmanship. I am amazed at the patience and forbearance that Timmy shows towards you - because he is your friend. But invariably you thrust it back in his teeth with a bitter quip or some spurious self-justification.
This time, because Timmy has opened the door, ordinary posters are beginning to tell you how you appear to them. Timmy knows - and I certainly know - that you are not like you appear to be. You are a kindly, intelligent, helpful individual, blessed with many talents. But I cannot bear to see you ruin what is for me a haven, a place I can run to just to be me. (And you, Marc, know who I am and what I am, and so I hope you understand how important this forum is for me.)
I hereby give due warning to you, to Timmy and to everyone else: one more example from you of cruel and hurtful verbal sniping that goes without a sincere apology or without just retribution from the owner and I am gone from here - and gone for good. The anguish is just not worth it.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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I'm going to try this again. It is worth reading this article in a mainstream UK national newspaper: http://tinyurl.com/62rcb2
It is perfectly possible that the article is also incorrect, but it appears, as time passes, to be less and less likely. Heinz is pretty much in it's command bunker over this. We're just awaiting the death of Eva Braun Sauce and a dog.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I pause before I post in this forum, to see how still the waters are per se. Often I see a relentless tirade murking things up just for the sake of it. Pointless attacks, remarkable that I should had let one such post a year ago, goat me into replying. I will not play such games, nor allow myself to be prodded again. I occassionally look in, I will respond every once in a while.
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Wow, 11,951 signatures when I signed this afternoon.
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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Cameron
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I read this thread and I thought about timmy's request before posting. This is my favourite forum. I still love to visit here, even if I mostly lurk.
I know from other posts that Marc has had a hard life. I just don't think that justifies rudeness, sarcasm, and hurtfulness. You never know where someone is in their life. They might have really needed some kindness and understanding and if they received cutting words and hatefulness, it might change the outcome for them.
Marc, you are very often curt, rude, and sarcastic. You were being very sarcastic with timmy in this thread. It shows a lack of respect for timmy and it makes everyone feel bad or angry.
timmy has worked very hard to make this 'A Place of Safety' and I think he does a great job and deserves our respect and admiration for his efforts.
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timmy
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I think I would vary that slightly. I am unconcerned about respect for myself, though it is nice to feel one has earned it.
I think the behaviours exhibited have shown (and I am using the past tense in fervent hope that it is correct) that lack of respect to all here.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Heinz male kiss ad cleared by watchdog
Mark Sweney, Guardian News
The UK's advertising regulator has decided not to investigate Heinz's "male kiss" TV ad, despite 215 complaints from viewers that it was offensive and "inappropriate to see two men kissing".
Heinz's TV ad for its new Deli Mayo line, which features two men sharing a brief kiss, has caused an international furore after the food company decided to pull the ad off air after less than a week.
However, the Advertising Standards Authority said today that it will not launch a formal investigation into the complaints about the TV ad.
"The ASA council considered that while some viewers may have personal objections to any portrayal of same sex kissing there was nothing in the content of the advertisement what would constitute a breach of the advertising code," said a spokesman for the ASA.
The Heinz TV ad carried an "ex-kids" restriction, meaning it cannot be shown in or around children's programming, because Heinz Deli Mayo falls foul of Ofcom's TV ad restrictions relating to junk food products.
However, the ASA received a number of complaints saying the ad was inappropriate for children to see or that it prompted awkward conversations about same sex relationships between parents and their kids.
"Even if the ad had not been subject to HFSS restrictions, the ASA would still not have investigated it," said the ASA spokesman.
Heinz UK received around "30 to 40" complaints about the ad and moved to take it off air on Friday June 20, less than a week after it launched on British TV.
Gay advocacy groups, including Stonewall and Gaydar Radio, launched campaigns to have the ad put back on air, urging people to boycott Heinz goods.
In the US, the American Family Association, a powerful Christian group, sent an email alert to its 3.5 million members encouraging them to swamp Heinz's US headquarters with complaints.
Heinz US put out a statement the day after the AFA mobilised its members apologising for its "misplaced attempt at humour", accepting "that this ad was not in accordance with our longstanding corporate policy of respecting everyone's rights and values" – even though the Heinz Deli Mayo commercial was never broadcast on TV in America.
A spokesman for Heinz said that the company had no comment to make on the ASA's decision not to investigate the TV ad.
He added that despite the ad being cleared of breaching the advertising code the company had no plans to put the Heinz Deli Mayo TV commercial back on air.
guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2008
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(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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It's the AFA that got to them
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, people don't seem to have forgiven Heinz in a hurry. This is from the London Pride parade this afternoon - the group was part of the "Stonewall" contingent, and there seemed to be a LOT of these placards!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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unsui
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marc
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The hard fact is that the more media coverage a company gets through methods other than paid advertising is indeed free air, print time...
It saves the company millions regarding their advertising budget and I am absolutly positive that their board of directors are toasting the various factions that so redily provide them this windfall profit.
Go team go....
Well done for the pickle industry.
For citation I give you....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_advertising
http://www.angelofernando.com/Shockvertising.htm
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