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timmy
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Boys, if this is going to be a fight please take it outside.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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There needs to be a reason for snacks. Nothing against them, but they have to have a purpose other than filling bellies.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I like #1 the best. But I would extend it. I see all three as self ghettoisation.
For a GSA to have validity it must do more than this. It must prove that orientation is an irrelevance, and that should be a part of its mission statement.
> The Bayard Rustin GSA brings together queer youth and straight allies to fight homophobia on campus and in the community. By raising awareness of different sexual and gender identities, linking homophobia with other oppressions, and advocating for equal treatment for youth of all sexual orientations, our GSA will create a school environment free of homophobic sexual, verbal and physical harassment.
That is #1. As far as it goes it's great. But it misses something along the lines of "By our work in the school and the wider community we will show how sexual orientation is irrelevant to life and friendship. Our alliance is one of people of all orientations working together with each other and within the community, and having fun while doing it."
This gives something to pin activities to. And this immediately removes self ghettoisation. Gay or str8 I could join that organisation because it shows me to be a human being, not a gay one or a str8 one.
[Updated on: Sun, 31 August 2008 11:08]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Jordan wrote:
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> We {the club} are part of Ally week October 13 – 17, 2008
> and what we are doing there is having people sign a petition agreeing not to discriminate and to intervene where discrimination is present
Cool.
Does the school give any assistance/courses in how to intervene effectively? This is a pretty major area - bullying & discrimination are major problems for all kinds of people, and one where you can all give real practical support.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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There is a set of organizations regarding safe schools.....
http://www.safeusa.org/school/safescho.htm
is a good start.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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timmy wrote:
> I like #1 the best. But I would extend it. I see all three as self ghettoisation.
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> For a GSA to have validity it must do more than this. It must prove that orientation is an irrelevance, and that should be a part of its mission statement.
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> > The Bayard Rustin GSA brings together queer youth and straight allies to fight homophobia on campus and in the community. By raising awareness of different sexual and gender identities, linking homophobia with other oppressions, and advocating for equal treatment for youth of all sexual orientations, our GSA will create a school environment free of homophobic sexual, verbal and physical harassment.
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> That is #1. As far as it goes it's great. But it misses something along the lines of "By our work in the school and the wider community we will show how sexual orientation is irrelevant to life and friendship. Our alliance is one of people of all orientations working together with each other and within the community, and having fun while doing it."
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The alliance may or may not "be of people of all orientations" but to the outsider, how are they to tell the gay from the str8 members.... They can't.... Therefore they would most probably be determined to be gay by association don't you think?
Being open to something does not make it a reality.
> This gives something to pin activities to. And this immediately removes self ghettoisation. Gay or str8 I could join that organisation because it shows me to be a human being, not a gay one or a str8 one.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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We bring snacks to the PFLAG meetings, but we each take turns making cookies or brownies.... We never use treasury funds for treats. We use the treasury to pay for printing of resource materials..... what is left at the end of the year is dolled out as scholarships to local youth in need.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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That's easy to solve. You were there in 1972.
Loads of badges saying "Glad to be gay", and a few with "Happy to be hetero" on them. The only one missing was "Wonderful to have a wank".
This can be extended very easily. Food lines "Get your pizza form a poof", "Straight sandwiches", etc. I wonder what you do about Fairy Cakes?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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We are responsible for what we do
the school has no courses or anything
however what you suggest as a likeway to help anti bullying{somehow} is a good one
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My apologies to you Timmy. I failed to separate the wheat from the chaff... you being the wheat. And on reflection see that you were indeed just challenging others to see the bigger picture.
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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timmy
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The bigger picture is now in our hands. Regrettably it is smaller than I hoped, but we CAN help Jordan to make this work well.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Oh my... how good you are at cloaking an insult.
Same back at ya.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Timmy wrote:
>I wonder what you do about Fairy Cakes?<
The same as you would with puff pastry and faggots and peas.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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I like faggots and peas 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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So what ideas will you take forward, Jordan?
[Updated on: Mon, 01 September 2008 11:01]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Oh goodness, that's simply boring and surely plain admin can be done in 'committee' without hassling ordinary members to sit through the boring bits.... can't see any coffee or biccies so I would prolly be off to the pub... Sorry.
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Dear Jordan,
I think the idea of having objectives that straight people can espouse, (even the homophobes) is good. One a homophobe agrees with one thing a GSA does they are less likely to oppose the other things. The anti-bullying campaign for example. The GSA should be the place for people to learn how to deal with bullies, whatever sort of bullying it is. And you can introduce the measures to the members of the group and I'm sure I don't need to tell you what they are.
If the GSA seriously tried to eliminate bullying at school it would earn a lot of goodwill.
I don't know how to make it fun though and I'm sure NW is right that some of your activities ought to be fun. It might be worth asking your counsellor what other problems people have in your school and seeing whether GSA can take those on too. And then you have to find ways of taking action that are fun and cheap and would make people stop and think.
At the school where I was governor the anti-bullying organised by the teachers was not effective enough because the children didn't dare to speak out. How do you overcome the reluctance to tell when people don't want the reputation of a tail-teller? Just as in some schools there is an atmosphere of no-one admitting they are trying and everyone pretends they didn't do their homework thoroughly and children get so they need permission to try. In the same way I think children need permission to be honest and to be caring and to speak out when someone does something wrong.
And I see one of the big problems is that the churches have taken over morality and it is difficult to keep religion out of any attempt to do the sort of thing I'm suggesting.
Love,
Anthony
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