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Definitely eccentric. I now have a vision of you standing on your balls while you hit them with a mallet. Yup, it brought a smile.
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I'm with you, Timmy. This has been quite the down day, and I don't even have an SWMBO any more. You (i.e., me) take meds, you do individual and group counseling, you do your best to stay in contact with the outside world, and then a day like this one comes along where you spend ten minutes getting up the energy to reply to a post. I don't want to leave my room, but I'll have to this evening to train with visitors to my tae kwon do school. I even have to make a tettrazini for a potluck afterwards. I love tae kwon do, but I don't want to go and mingle and worry about whether the food I brought is any good.
It is really rough when you are living with the person who you'd expected to be your lifelong helpmate and source of comfort and who just isn't. I retreated to my computer room many a time to escape the venom and spite. It's just sad and miserably lonely.
Are you planning on spending the third third of your life living this way?
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Hugs I feel for ya man, all many of us can do is cry an carry on.
Some time I wonder if it's a blessing or a curse having only my self. I mean who else do we have in the end.
I'm starting a whole new path in life and I am by my self, no cell service where I am, and access to the internet only a little each day. Have to say I haven't felt this vulnerable in a long time. Can't even really take the time or really have the privacy and time for a good cry.
As a matter of fact I do have a little time right now so I'm going to go curl up into a ball for a while.
Peace
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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I can't seem to cry any more. It gets close and stays on the threshold. There's no point in talking to her about it. We get an "enough about you, let's talk about ME and how I suffer" conversation. And why would she be happy hearing I want my pillow to turn into a prince?
So I mended the flat roof. Or I hope I did. Time will tell, but rain pours behind the gutter which is odd. So there is now a new strip of roofing felt all glued and tacked down that ensures that any run-off goes into the gutter. If that doesn't cure it I have a different problem. It was sunny and hot, but I've put my neck out (hence the painkillers) and I have an unpleasant headache (and more painkillers, so the med induced depression will stay)
I won't talk to the GP about depression. Last time that happened SWMBO came with me and I was railroaded by her into taking SSRIs. This was a wholly negative experience since I was being treated for impotence, already suffer from retarded ejaculation, cannot achieve orgasm while penetrating, and they removed orgasm completely. It's a well know side effect and they are used for treating premature ejaculation.
That wrecked all that remained of trust between me and her and our sex life, such as it was.
I want to get back to writing my novel about what really happened in my schooldays, but I'm too tired at present. It took me a great act of will to restart site updates, and they are easy!
I wish I could get lost in strong arms that make me feel safe and they show me how all right my world really is. There are so very few "sweet" porn movie snippets, but there is one that is perfect for my mood and needs. I know they're porn stars, but they act as if they really love each other - lost in each other despite the artificiality of the camera and director being present.
The black dog part is that I know I'll never have this, not now. I'm not attracted to men of my own age. We're wrinkly, saggy, curmudgeonly, and very needy. I'm needy. I just suppress my high maintenance side most of the time nowadays.
I can't tell you how grateful I am to those who've helped me by listening to my circular "but I love him" wails and whines, and my host of "if only" crap. If you want to know where I get my patience from it's from those who've shown me great patience and kindness. There is a long list, and naming a few would be upsetting for those I miss, but I've got through my black times except for a very few deep and bottomless pits of despair.
I get through it by refusing to be beaten by it. I'm not sure what a "nervous breakdown" is, but, if it's failing to cope and flailing about emotionally, I've been to the edge and looked in. I was either lucky or strong enough to be able to step back.
Have I thanked you for the offer of a listening ear? I hope I have. Here is good. Living out my personal crap in public helps me because it helps that one kid who identifies with me, whoever he is, and saves him from having to make the same mistakes.
I'll get frogs for the rest of my life. That boy? He can get a prince if only he opens his heart to the possibility. I'm ok with frogs. I can pretend my pillow is Johnnie, and it can kiss away my damp eyes if I pretend hard enough. He can have his prince. I hope, one day, he is brave enough to tell me he has.
I'm rambling. The painkillers are morphine substitute based. Probably explains it.
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When I asked her to marry me I was deeply in love with her. I've no idea now if I am or not. But I chose marriage, and she does not wish to end it. For good or ill she wishes to stay with me. And I am terrified of being alone. I've never lived alone, not ever. Quiet houses scare me. Solitude is not my friend.
So I plan to spend the next third of my life trying to be a good companion, and friend. And just maybe she will let me back in.
I did promise better, worse, richer, poorer, sickness and health. It's a huge promise, and I still mean it. I'm just not happy, that's all.
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I have no words for you, because I have none for me. I wanted to be his friend, only his friend. But I fell for him hook line and sinker.
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I think you need the hug more than I do.
When you get a moment more please tell us what you are doing.
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Glad that you got out in the sun! Flat roofs can be a devil to fix, but it does sound like a drip-edge problem so hopefully you're sorted now.
As regards SSRIs, they have the same effect on me (as a class - some of them also caused "suicidal ideation", and one of them caused micro-tremors that made my eyes jiggle about so badly that I couln't read!). So I now give them a very wide berth. After discussion with my GP,I ended up taking St John's Wort, (generally, a course of about three months, followed by about four or five months off). That's definitely helped smooth things out a bit ... but although herbal it is quite potent stuff that can interact with other prescription drugs, so checking with pharmacist or doctor is essential. It may be worth trying, if you haven't already done so.
You said "I wish I could get lost in strong arms that make me feel safe and they show me how all right my world really is. ". That, of course, doesn't have to be a lover - it's very much part of what friends are for. I was strongly reminded of this when a guy who is an essential part of my small collection of close friends came to stay for a night last week - the first time we'd met in person for eight years. Of everyone I know, he gives the most reassuring hugs - I'd missed them much more than I realised! There are many kinds of love, and although I'm sure you're right that you'll never experience lying in the comforting arms of a handsome prince, don't forget that other kinds of love, and demonstrations of affection, exist. Even with wrinkly and saggy old men. Even with women. Or whatever.
More hugs!
NW
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Saturday = Saturn's day = the black day. If I've ever felt down, it's always been on a Saturday, especially a wet one. For most of my life I worked on Saturdays. But now I can hate them at times.
The good thing is tomorrow's Sunday - a fresh start.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Yup. Sunday. A car boot fair in Taplow. Exhausting but it does clear out the garage
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I like hugs. I hope I give good ones, too. I don't want to seem awkward, and a hug would help, of course it would, But it isn't enough.
I want to be told I'm beautiful even though I'm overweight. I want to be loved for me, as I am, not an idealised person I never was. I want a caress to say "I care".
It doesn't have to be sexual, only it would be nice if it were... But sex for the sake of it doesn't hack it either. I can go and rent if I just want sex. I want the moon. I shot for the stars and missed, but I don't seem to hit the moon either..............
Don't get me wrong. I have a great life. I'm probably secure financially. I have a good home. It's just the wrong life.
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I wish I had a magic word that would make everything ok, but I dont. Sometimes fantasy and memories are all we have. You wish for your Johnny and I miss my Mark. All I can offer you is a virtual hug and an ear to listen with.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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We each miss what we miss. We live with it, in spite of it, perhaps because of it. Time is meant to dull it. I don't think it does. It just makes it something we are used to.
How wonderful it would be if there were a heaven where we could be with all the people we wish to be with. I wish I could believe in it. But you would have Mark in yours. Would Johnnie be in mine? I'm not asking this in order to have a "my pain is worse than your pain" moment, pain is pain. Your 100% is 100%. My 100% is 100%. In pain we are equals.
The question is more about the nature of this putative heaven. The Lovely Bones (a novel) seems to have it right. "Our" heaven is ours, populated with folk who pass through, but not those we don't want. But there is no answer about those we want but who do not want to be in our virtual portion of heaven.
Gosh, I digressed.
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The word "often" is an unusual choice here. In order to keep the peace I choose to lose. Not often. Always.
Not strictly true. I used to do that. Now the row peters out with neither apologising. SWMBO always considers she has won at this point. She also manages to store and retrieve things from decades ago to hold against me in arguments.
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Timmy, you and I have had this discussion endless times. On and off I have made a suggestion but you have never taken up on it. So, I'm going to make it again - because I never despair.
Sometimes, what we need is a change of scene. As long as we are in familiar surroundings and with familiar people we are not going to pluck up the courage to make the effort to find someone - even if it is only for a short time.
So, Timmy, now that you are financially secure, my advice is to get on a plane - by yourself! - and go somewhere where you can be adventurous; somewhere where you can go into the right kind of bars without fear and visit the kind of places where you might find that someone.
You know where that place might be and you know that the door is always open. Just send an email or SMS saying "I'm on my way."
Hugs, and hugs again,
Me. Who else could it be?
PS - a note to everyone: Timmy does give great hugs.
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All out war. Not "think". I know.
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Hi Timmy:
I'm new to posting here - but I've been reading IOMFATS for a long time (because of Grasshopper, my favorite author).
I've started to read the Forum more and more over the past few months, and I've almost posted several times, but didn't for various reasons. This time, however, I decided I would.
Your post about loneliness - in reference to Johnnie - struck a chord with me. I've seen others talk here in their replies about their "Johnnies", and it hit me that so many people are in the same boat as you - or me.
I had a "Johnnie" - or in my case - his name was Mike. We were best friends for three years in high school. We were also intimate - although for him it was just experimental sex - for me it was a lot more.
Things ended badly for us - an argument over a girl of all things - and we spent our senior year at odds, although we patched things up just to land in a spot where we were just distant friends.
I went off to college (far away from home, partly to escape pain) - and had a hard time getting over all that. Typical story I'm sure. I got married in my 20s - divorced in my 30s - and now I'm turning 40 and I still think about him.
It's a strange thing really. That was 25 years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday. Like you, I feel stabs of loneliness sometimes tied to him - and the hole that was left in my heart. Like you, I don't know what would have happened if more had taken place. I am certain he wasn't ready for what I wanted, but I would have taken less - which doesn't really say much about my standards at the time.
And yet others have said it well. We hold on more to what could have been - and spend less time trying to fix what we have. I am guilty of that. I am committed to trying to find someone to be a companion - knowing that it will always be a second best situation - just by virtue of not being him.
I have not tried to find Mike - we haven't seen each other since 1986 - at graduation - but yet I live about 20 miles from where he lives (I think - I'm not sure, having lost track - but I know where his parents live).
This is a bit of a ramble, but it is - like the other posts - an attempt to tell you that we know what you're feeling - and we recognize the pain. As you said - our pain is very individual - but I do recognize it when I see it. I just have no idea how to soften it.
Time has healed some of it - no doubt - as the pain was really sharp in my 20s. I was not honest with myself a lot of that time - and paid for it.
I do a variety of things to pull myself out of a spin - and many people here have hit on some of them. But at the end of the day - when it's dark and you're alone in bed - the ghost of Christmas Past comes in the room and shows you all that you had and didn't have - and that is a hard window to look through.
So - hugs to you Timmy. I know you don't know me, but I thought I would come on and just say hi - and tell you - like the other loyal fans and friends that you have - that I do care.
So hugs.
My best,
Centaur
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I have said the very same many times....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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What can I say we put our selves in these positions LOL, but what's going on is that I am in the process of getting my class A CDL (commercial drivers license).
not a big deal really just 6/12 hour days for the next few weeks. Actually I'm through with the written exams so now I'm off training in those big trucks for the next few weeks which is actually pretty fun, and though I have driven big ocean going vessels in my past I was much younger back then and I guess I was able to process the stress a bit more efficiently back then.
I think it's all just been building over the past couple of days, I get along with every one in my class but I don't really relate all that well as you can imagine, away from class I socialized as much as possible here at the hotel where we're staying but after a while that becomes a strains as well, LOL most of these guys haven't ever been away from home so are so into the whole I'm gonna be a (macho truck driver) front that it's been wearing on me too.
Got to do it though, it's really embarrassing how much money I'll be making for so little effort in the next couple of years.
I didn't mean to sound alarmist I was just feeling a little fragile yesterday, and from the sounds of things I wasn't alone.
Big Hug to all you guys!
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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Welcome to the forum. What you had to say means a lot to just about all of us. I think at one time or another we have all had "Johnnys" in our lives. Those we never actually had and those we had but lost. In either case the pain is there and the loneliness. I have heard that time heals but it really doesnt it just softens and makes things bearable. My heart goes out to Timmy for several reasons and on several levels.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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These Johnnies and Mikes don;t even know how we are torn apart over them. We don't matter to them at all.
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Sounds like you could do the ice roads in Canada once you get your licence, and make a fortune getting your balls frozen off.
I always pictured you with a Hog, not a truck!
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I try. Just yesterday it all got too much.
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Being myself is very hard. I am naturally promiscuous, despite also being fiercely loyal. The loyalty makes promiscuity intolerable, so I do not do it. Plus promiscuity opens up a risk I refuse to take: that of bringing a sexually transmitted disease into my marriage bed (assuming I am ever allowed to share it!).
While I might take that risk for myself, despite a religious adherence to barrier methods of prophylaxis, I will not take that risk with my wife's health.
So, to be myself I need sex by the bucketload. But to be myself I need chastity outside marriage.
Can I be myself, that is "gay me", without sex? To an extent. But I want to have my cake and eat it. "I want it all, and I want it now."
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Oh dear, Timmy,
I think there is only one way to choose between things that are so incompatible that there is no way of having both: either would exclude the other.
That is to decide which you want most and take such care over choosing that you can stick to it.
It happened with me about 1975 when Sylvia threatened to leave me. She was at the end of her tether with boredom at home.
The solution we found was for her to go to work and for me to help carry the burden of responsibility for the children by taking more time off and refusing such things as trips abroad - but as the younger was then nine or ten they were really capable of looking after themselves more than they had been allowed to do. In the next seven years our roles changed so that she was the main breadwinner and I became self-employed. She was always the more responsible of us!
But I look back and am amazed that we were happy for our daughters to ride bicycles to school over a mile away unsupervised. Nowadays that would be just too dangerous!
And, if I need more sex than she wants I can always find imaginative ways to masturbate. I'm not sure if I'm ashamed about that but I do it when I need to, which at age 73 is not how it used to be.
I don't think that ten years ago I would have been willing to admit to all this. But, of course, it was true, even then.
My mother quietly complained to me around the time when my father died that he hadn't made love to her for something like 15 years. I didn't then know how to answer her. Now I do. Assuming that his sexual development was like mine and that he lost the ability to get an erection that was firm enough for conventional penetrative sex, he would have given up. He hadn't the brass neck to go and ask for Viagra or a look-alike as I did. He was far too embarrassed about sex to talk to his wife about his needs or to consider her and ask about what hers might be. He died at 81 because she neglected him. I bet I last longer!
Arrogantly, love,
Anthony
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Oh, yes, Centaur, welcome to the forum.
I think you desperately need to resolve things with Mike. Maybe I'm wrong but until you KNOW how that situation is you can't move on. At least I don't think I could.
But I was always heart on sleeve. I couldn't NOT tell David I loved him and when he rejected me and went on being nice to me I was able to get to accept the situation. I've been unable to hide my feelings. I used to think I was apathetic but now I don't care any more!
And you say "I would have taken less" and I am horrified. You can't take less. Less is not what you want. It would not satisfy you and would be a sore spot between you and your companion until it was resolved. (And note that when I say this I'm not talking about one person waiting for the other to come round but about one person insisting on with-holding the degree of commitment that the other craves as essential.)
And if I were a candidate for your companionship and discovered that, at best I would be a second-class solution, I would ask what I had to do to become a first class solution. And the answer would be that you have to get over Mike and that can only be done by facing him.
Am I too demanding?
Love,
Anthony
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Funny thing that, i am so not into the whole Harley leather thing at all but that's what most people think before they get to know me LOL. I hate labels but most of my friends would say I was just a sweet old hippie, I don't have a mean bone in my body.
Heck when I worked at sea I worked in the arctic so I have ice experience only on ships hehe. To tell you the truth I am adventurous enough to go for ice road trucking, but I think they'll want me to have a bit of regular road under me before they let me drive on ice. I sure have nothing to keep me from doing that. ;-D
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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I know what he means by taking less. I would have taken less, too. I would have taken any form of relationship at all, however demeaning.
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Hahahaha not leather. I saw wind in the hair and a sleeveless denim top!
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The choice was made many years ago. It does not mean that I always like the bed I have made for myself.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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LOL are you kidding after all those years of being exposed to the sun, wind and salty environment! My skin is starting to turn to parchment!
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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Yes, Timmy,
I think I might have done with David. (That is to say settled for less.) But I now think that it couldn't have worked. If he couldn't then and couldn't later have grown to want the relationship with me that I wanted to have with him we would have been at odds or cross purposes of sixes and sevens or not fully compatible sooner or later and it wouldn't have worked just as some gay men married and found it didn't work - usually because they could not bring themselves to admit to their spouses what they really needed.
I don't know whether the word is honesty but it's difficult to be honest with oneself and doubly hard with a partner, especially if the relationship began with less that full honesty. I suspect most people don't want as much closeness and commitment as I do. I couldn't abide being married to a devout christian or muslim or jew. If my partner read and took notice of the horoscopes in the newspapers I would find it hard not to despise them.
Sylvia is a philosopher, like me. She can write programs in APL and J like me. We vote for the same party and agree in our opinions of most politicians.
We agree about sexual morals and sexual education for children.
In fact there isn't much that we could fall out about. Most other couples we know don't share interests and opinions to nearly the extent that we do. I suspect I am multiply blessed!
But on those topics I think that David and I are also agreed! But he isn't a programmer.
Love,
Anthony
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
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It would not have mattered. Anything, however short lived.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Im not trying to play the Devils advocate here but I believe that two people having too much in common is detrimental to the relationship. Mark and I had very few things in common and I honestly believe that that is why we were together for so long. Mark was an applied physisit and believe me I could care less if they found a left leaning quark. On the other hand he could have cared less if Costantine became Catholic or not. If he went to a lecture I didnt feel like I had to go just because he was my partner and he didnt feel like he had to go to my lectures. If he went to the store I didnt immediately drop what I was doing to go with him. Its the old saying "familiarity breeds contempt". We both had separate hobbies. The thing is we never got bored with each other. We loved each other more than life. He made me like myself and I made him feel special and defended him. I guess Im trying to say that you dont have to be joined at the hip to be a loving couple.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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