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M83 "intro" https://youtu.be/3Sb9fWcJk14
We didn't need a story, we didn't need a real world
We just had to keep walking
And we became the stories, we became the places
We were the lights, the deserts, the faraway worlds
We were you before you even existed. Carry on, carry on, carry on
And after us the flood
Carry on, carry on, carry on
Our silver horn it leads the way
Banners of gold shine
In the cold, in the cold, in the cold
Footprints of snow, blind from the road
Hail!We carry on, carry on
Follow us, we are one
The battle's fought, the deed is done
Our silver hum runs deep and strong
Hand to the heart, lips to the horn
We can save, we can be reborn
Head on my breast, I'll keep you warm
Hail!
Hurry up, We're dreaming
though I find it to be a very nice song, wonderful sentiment in many ways. I find it rife with contradictions. In my POV.
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timmy
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Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.
Always makes me think of establishment religion. No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition...
Bu I digress
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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"timmy wrote on Wed, 11 December 2019 00:34"Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.
Always makes me think of establishment religion. No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition...
Bu I digress
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I find this all very much on topic. Says a lot about where we've come from, and a cautionary note about where we may be going.
BTW the fifth line of "The Dream" I posted was a copy and paste from a lyric site. I thought I caught all the errors but Line five should read "As new life will come through" not 'from.' That wasn't the only one
I know, a bit pedantic..... Devils in the details right...😳 Wait that can't be right can it? But wait, everything has come from the same place....hmmmm🤔
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The Moody Blues evokes an era in human development and is a broad and fascinating subject for discussion. I rather like this YouTube video that accompanies Have You Heard: https://youtu.be/oCsKshg2BsY I think it was filmed in 1959.
In an interview on The Moody Blues Today, Justin Hayward was asked:What was just about the best day of your life; both musically and personally?Getting my first guitar when I was 10. I was so thrilled when I came back from two weeks summer holiday with my parents and the guitar had been delivered to our neighbours in Swindon. It came from Headquarter and General Supplies and we paid in installments. It was £2.10 shillings. I loved it. It was everything I hoped it would be.http://www.moodybluestoday.com/latest-qa-with-justin/
I like that response.The most interesting though is the story behind the Moody Blues, extract from the Guardian, Psychedelias Forgotten Heroes:
... when you consider that the Moody Blues outlaw credentials were rock solid. They were directly implicated in the notorious three-part News of the World exposé in February 1967 on drug-taking in pop. They hung out with Jimi Hendrix, and in that Isle of Wight documentary, Justin Hayward admits to taking LSD a dozen or so times. None of the other members are exactly coy about their influences either. And how could they be when they paid blatant and unambiguous homage to the high priest of LSD, Timothy Leary, in flautist Ray Thomas's Legend of a Mind? Keyboard player Mike Pinder's (Thinking is) The Best Way to Travel on the In Search of a Lost Chord album is one of the great "show me the universe and get me home for tea" acid songs, and that quintet of late 60s albums is liberally peppered with memorable psychedelic moments.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/17/the-moody-blue s-psychedelias-forgotten-heroes
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arich: yes, this is precisely what I was after and unable to find myself.
I was particularly struck by the second half:
As new life will come through death, love will come at leisure.
Love of love, love of life and giving without measure
Gives in return a wondrous yearn of a promise almost seen.
Live hand-in-hand and together we'll stand on the threshold of a dream.
It's a telling and very evocative way to put it.
If only we could love love and life, give without measure and live hand-in-hand together!
Bensiamin
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Here something I came across jut a few min ago.... Not the end all and be all.... But I sure have to say I resonate very strongly with what he's saying.
https://youtu.be/kVXSayKzGt8
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arich: very interesting and helpful video. I have to watch it a couple of more times!
Terrific and educational give and take so far! Perhaps a touch of humor to take the edge off!
Bensiamin
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timmy
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Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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LOL I like fuzzy myself, sharp edges can be dangerous 😬 Not saying fuzzy isn't outside some people's comfort zone. But we have, after all all coming form and are going to the same place,(what a segue huh😏) no matter what you may believe at the moment.
Let's play a game:
Imagine you are infinite ( what's beyond the cosmic microwave background?) what would your field of play look like? Design me an, entertaining, game that would last eternity. Well, 'level me up baby.'
So many questions and mysteries..... Wow I Love it. Grab your boards boys, surfs up, time to ride the crest. (Shrugs) or not. What's your gig? To be anything but yourself would be a lie.
One things for sure, that being is.
So that stack of paper sitting in front of you, is for you. 'You may begin"..... how many dread that phrase to this day?😩 And if any of you says they loved taking test I'm gonna 😱 try and ultimately respond with the highest sentiment that I have to express.
Oh snap, no worries, I forgot for a sec, there is no pass or fail.🤯
I've had an occasion, recently, to interact with some folks who thought there might be portholes, to (?), alternates, transcendence, salvation, our maybe destruction?
Interesting how we have a place we call the heart but isn' t the physical muscle... Hmmmm portholes..... 🤔
https://youtu.be/DvVmqnNBo9w
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"arich wrote on Sat, 14 December 2019 02:08"
I've had an occasion, recently, to interact with some folks who thought there might be portholes, to (?), alternates, transcendence, salvation, our maybe destruction?
My mistake... I read potholes, not portholes, lol! Thought you were making an unintentional pun. But they are only looking at alternatives, transcendence, salvation, and destruction, not actually falling into It!
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"Talo Segura wrote on Sat, 14 December 2019 10:09""arich wrote on Sat, 14 December 2019 02:08"
I've had an occasion, recently, to interact with some folks who thought there might be portholes, to (?), alternates, transcendence, salvation, our maybe destruction?
My mistake... I read potholes, not portholes, lol! Thought you were making an unintentional pun. But they are only looking at alternatives, transcendence, salvation, and destruction, not actually falling into It!
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Maybe I should have gone for "portal" instead of porthole but pothole seems appropriate in it's own way. All part of a passage I suppose.
A passage closer to home.
Bon voyage.
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@ Timmy...
I'm going to have to remember Mark 16:17 the next time the JW's or those sweet looking mormon missionary boys come knocking on my door... Hehe...
“There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is.” - Terry Pratchett
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timmy
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"Teddy wrote on Sat, 14 December 2019 21:30"@ Timmy...
I'm going to have to remember Mark 16:17 the next time the JW's or those sweet looking mormon missionary boys come knocking on my door... Hehe...
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I use it whenever they do
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Nothing to do with the thread content, but when you load in a large image, like Bensiamin, to a forum thread, it makes everything else much smaller, so the text comments become unreadable on a phone and difficult on a tablet. You have to zoom in and move to read each line of commentary.
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This is worth going full screen btw, more food for thoughts.
https://youtu.be/QCrF5nv0MU4
LOL though have to say if I could remember what it was that I saw when I first opened my eyes, I think it was probably pretty blurry.... just sayin.👶
And is my want a song in parting.
https://youtu.be/8FvXZ5bk8MQ
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"I have always wondered what it would be like to go to sleep, and never wake up, for ever and ever," Alan Watts.
That just won't ever happen... even when asleep, you are awake, conconscious, and dreaming, except maybe when you're not, dreaming that is, but I think mostly you are dreaming, all the time, you just don't press replay when awake (if you are awake, and not still dreaming... no, just kidding, of course you are awake).
The BIG confusion is thinking you are you, when you are not, and yet you are! I always wanted to discover God and the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. But once done, you don't keep looking, because you already know. You know you knew, even though you forgot, when you see that, it's a revelation!
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timmy
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"Talo Segura wrote on Mon, 16 December 2019 08:34""I have always wondered what it would be like to go to sleep, and never wake up, for ever and ever," Alan Watts.
That just won't ever happen... even when asleep, you are awake, conconscious, and dreaming, except maybe when you're not, dreaming that is, but I think mostly you are dreaming, all the time, you just don't press replay when awake (if you are awake, and not still dreaming... no, just kidding, of course you are awake).
The BIG confusion is thinking you are you, when you are not, and yet you are! I always wanted to discover God and the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. But once done, you don't keep looking, because you already know. You know you knew, even though you forgot, when you see that, it's a revelation!
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It is likely the same as a general anaesthetic for surgey. No dreaming. Nothing. We only know we are alive again afterwards because we wake up. During surgery there is nothing. We are not even aware of there being nothing because there is nothing.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Instead of weakening, the brain is more active than ever during anesthesia...It is true that we become unconscious, do not dream (except maybe just before waking up), and everything appears wiped from memory, but no one understands how anaesthesia works, it is a huge mystery. One thing is clear though, increased brain activity is not nothing, rather like people in a coma hearing those around them, but unable to respond.
Here is an interesting, easy to read article on anaesthesia: https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-fitness/what-really-happen s-brain-during-anesthesia-truly-terrifying.html/
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I've lost track of how the current conversation relates to "Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin" but nothwithstanding that, in as much as I know somehing about anesthesia, for all the interesting realities being pointed out, the agents administerd are chosen for specific reasons, like invoking a state of unconciousness, muscle relaxation, pain reduction, and most important...the magic quality of nitours oxide in blocking memory. You see, without nitrous oxide, in spit of being "out" you'd still remember a lot or most of it. You can ask the patients who have sued hospitals because they didn't get enough nitrous oxide and reme er the surgical staff talking and joking, or worse yet the sounds of the bone saw, etc. Personally, having seen plenty of surgeries in my day, I'd rather be assured of not remembering any of it. Just as I hope my end comes like the father of a friend: dying while asleep...which strikes me as the next best thing!
Bensiamin
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"Bensiamin wrote on Wed, 18 December 2019 05:37"I've lost track of how the current conversation relates to "Faith, Religion, Homosexuality, LGBTQ People, God, Sin" ...
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The topic is rather all embracing and thus likely to go off on all sorts of tangents. Faith like God is believing without being certain, in existence which surmonts or encompasses life and death. Homosexuality and LGBTQ has no bearing on faith and God, only religion and being part of an organised group. Sin does not exist, it is an evil creation perpetuated by certain religions to exert control and maintain order and a following through fear and retribution.
The idea of dying in one's sleep is a comforting thought, (I hope my end comes like the father of a friend: dying while asleep...which strikes me as the next best thing!), but it is nothing to fear however we may meet the end of this life. It might be clearer to deal with whilst awake, rather than dreaming, I don't know. However it may arrive, it is accepting and leaving this world which has to be navigated emotionally. When I was younger my best friend died. I had known him since we were seven years old, he lived a few houses away. We grew up together, and like I suppose, many kids we used sometimes to sit around asking questions about life. You know the kinds of questions: Are there aliens on other planets? Is Father Christmas real? What happens when you die? The questions evolve as you grow up. We made a pact, again, you know the sort of thing, like swearing to be blood brothers. Only this was one time we were considering life, the universe and everything. Our pact was very simple: whom ever should die first, should it be possible, they would come back and tell the other about it. Childish, perhaps, and simply another thing you put to the back of your mind, except the day that he died brought that pact back to me. About a week after he died, he was twenty years old then, I had one of those very real, very vivid dreams. My best friend was standing there. What did I do? Well, I asked him: "Do you remember the pact we made?" Yes, he did. "So, what happened?" I asked. At first I screamed a lot, he told me, then it was okay. He walked away and whilst I sometimes think of him, I have never dreamed of him again.
Was it real? It was for me. It was a closure. I won't go into the details of how he died, but It was sudden and completely unexpected. So I can imagine it was a shock for him to find himself dead. I can also imagine he might have screamed, because of the surprise. That he said it was okay, of course was a huge comfort, and fits with my thoughts on death. Did my brain just make up the whole dream? You decide, I know what I think.
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Talo: only one word to comment on your last post. BRAVO!
Bensiamin
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I happened across the research of Professor Peter Fenwick and this interview with him https://youtu.be/78SkTuk8Zd4 about his research starting in the eighties, looking into Near Death Experiences. It seems to me that the accounts he collected explain, although not completely, what happens when we die, or at least as far as when we arrive at death's door.
A fundamental question is raised about consciousness. Does consciousness exist outside of the brain or is it secreted by the brain. If the latter were true, then when the brain ceases to function, consciousness dies, and there is nothing. However, the balance of evidence points to consciousness existing outside of the brain, which simply funnels consciousness into individual existence. In which case, those who believe there is no existence after death, are mistaken. Good news!
What then happens when we die? It is a question as Fenwick explains, of letting go. The art of dying serenely is being able to let go of all your connections with family, friends, and loved ones. Equally, letting go of attachments to possessions, feelings of things left unfinished, or sentiments of guilt. One must say goodbye to everything, absolutely everything.
And where do we go? When one becomes detached and released from this life their, our, your, individuality ceases. You become aware that you are one with everything, you are in fact much greater than the individual you were. With this comes a feeling of bliss, time no longer exists, there is no future or past. There are many spin off side phenomenon connected with the process of dying, and no knowledge of how existence proceeds after death.
I found the interview fascinating, it opens up a whole field of study about how we die and what is consciousness.
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timmy
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I tried to watch this, and failed. Unseen, it has prompted this set of thoughts.
- We like to consider that something of us remains after death apart from a decomposing corpse
- We like to think that any remaining part of us has something to do or somewhere to go
Both of these thoughts are comforting, somehow. It's difficult to think that we just cease, even if we do.
- Religion has capitalised upon these thoughts and given us a purpose for 'after we die'
- To gain that purpose we must behave in the way that religion dictates. Examples include mutilating genitalia, genuflecting, gathering together for chanting in buildings, offering sacrifices, drinking fake blood and eating fake flesh
Why do I care?
Let me postulate a Heaven.
Heaven suggests that all those who have qualified get to turn up and do inestimable things that no-one living can conceive of. It is 'good', though we have no clear idea of what 'good' really is.
It follows that, in Heaven, assuming our friends and colleagues have jumped though all the hoops and leaped all the hurdles to get the door key, we will likely meet any and all of them.
In life I adored, him, hated all of them, and do not wish to meet one particular person ever again, for reasons not related to their being 'good'. Indeed my Heaven would turn to Hell were I to meet that person. That's not Heaven. I'm pretty sure my turning up in one partoculr chap's Heaven woudl ruin things for him, too.
The best representation of Heaven is one I read in The Lovely Bones, but that also doesn't sound particularly pleasing
I am thus not keen on the classical representation of a Heaven.
I'm coming back to not caring. I have no need to 'be' after I die. I can't get a tune out of a harp anyway. And I've apparently masturbated far too much to go anywhere near puffy white clouds.
I suppose I ought to try and watch this again, but it fitted into my tl;dr category. I abandoned it while the older gentleman was telling us how his job was well positioned.
[Updated on: Sun, 22 December 2019 10:43]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I would say that there are lot of interesting conversations about what our ultimate destiny might be.
Two things:
1) nobody knows
2) it doesn't really matter. LOL we'll all be going to the same place. After all we all came from the same place
At Play on the field of Gods. Maybe? What would you, design?
I do know one thing. I am not going to let anyone else design a heaven, hell or nothing (This is all there is and ever will be... WTF Carl?).... We sure know there was more than what he thought there was when he made that statement.
No I know that isn't what he means. But our Carl was a bit of a materialist.
I, not so much.
Like Talo, I had an experience. My eldest brother died. We were very connected, some would say we had a spooky connection. And this before spooky action at a distance.😳
Before I got the call, I had a dream, visually it stunned, literally fire works. The only thing he said was "it's more amazing than we ever imagined. The felling was, "Sorry, you won't hear from me again, too many other cool things to do...."
What would you design? Time to let go of the old ideas.
Sorry for the tautology. Though must say, don't consider it such a bad thing.
Just thoughts.
https://youtu.be/GVcbV5HZXJ0
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At approximately 2:30 he says " ? And modern science," I can't figure out what that "?" word is? I'm hoping someone's hearing here is better than mine.
https://youtu.be/UhAVbX3K5Q4
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'human nature requires something to address the big questions of life'
What are these 'big questions of life'?
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'Human nature requires something to address the big questions of life.'
Well, we do have Siri and Alexa ...
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"joecasey wrote on Sat, 28 December 2019 13:22"'Human nature requires something to address the big questions of life.'
Well, we do have Siri and Alexa ...
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I don't know that Siri and Alexa are ready to address all the baggage life carries with it.
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timmy
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"arich wrote on Sat, 28 December 2019 17:00"
"joecasey wrote on Sat, 28 December 2019 13:22"'Human nature requires something to address the big questions of life.'
Well, we do have Siri and Alexa ...
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I don't know that Siri and Alexa are ready to address all the baggage life carries with it.
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I see that the minor deity Cortana never made the cut
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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"timmy wrote on Sun, 29 December 2019 00:32""arich wrote on Sat, 28 December 2019 17:00"
"joecasey wrote on Sat, 28 December 2019 13:22"'Human nature requires something to address the big questions of life.'
Well, we do have Siri and Alexa ...
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I don't know that Siri and Alexa are ready to address all the baggage life carries with it.
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I see that the minor deity Cortana never made the cut
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Don't know how that happened but when I ask, Siri who "Cortana" was, she, he, it, got kinda snippy.😬
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Abraham has a lot to answer for, not least of which the deploiyment of commas, obviously far worse than strife in the Middle East and all those holy wars by all the Abrahamic religions
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Yes, those opprobrious commas...Eeeeek. What ever shall we do?😳
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https://youtu.be/DPaK9Ih2jOQ
There's a hole in your heart, begging for adventure.
Play yourself a new track, set traps for the future.
On your own.
Can you do it?
The unknown.
Can you face it?
Shifting desire, shifting desire, shifting desire
Rules of conformity, heavy clouds of reason.
They're hiding the beauty of your free distortions.
On your own.
Can you do it?
The unknown.
Can you face it?
With your soul, now you see it.
The landscape is infinite.
Shifting desire, shifting desire, shifting desire
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In case anyone thinks religious intolerance isn't a problem, a recent turn of events in Portland, Oregon illustrates how far we have to go, and just how deep the opposition and bigotry runs. Concordia University, a 115-year old Lutheran college in Portland announced this week it was closing after some years of financial problems caused mainly be declining student registration. The University's financial problems could have been ameliorated by assistance from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, except the Synod tied financial assistance to the school addressing its campus resource center that supports LGBTQ students.
Here's the operant part of the story: the synod's board of directors in Houston, passed a resolution stating they were determined to withhold further financial assistance "until the university has substantively addressed the issues regarding the Gender and Sexuality Resource Center and brought its articles and bylaws back into conformity with the requirements of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod."
The synod is vehemently anti-gay rights, arguing "homosexuality is a sinful distortion of His desire that one man and one woman live together in marriage as husband and wife."
"God," the synod states on its website, "categorically prohibits homosexuality."
The article appeared in The Oregonian
So, not only is this church's position on homosexuality antideluvian and hateful, the bigotry is so embedded in the values system of this church that they are willing to allow a university to fail and deny over 5,000 students the ability to graduate, in order to have their position prevail. The religious push back to LGBTQ rights is operating on a very wide front.
Bensiamin
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"Bensiamin wrote on Fri, 14 February 2020 08:21"In case anyone thinks religious intolerance isn't a problem, a recent turn of events in Portland, Oregon illustrates how far we have to go, and just how deep the opposition and bigotry runs. Concordia University, a 115-year old Lutheran college in Portland announced this week it was closing after some years of financial problems caused mainly be declining student registration. The University's financial problems could have been ameliorated by assistance from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, except the Synod tied financial assistance to the school addressing its campus resource center that supports LGBTQ students.
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I had wondered about this one. I read that story on a couple of the local PDX TV news pages but neither of them gave a reason beyond financial issues. I was relatively certain there had to be more to the story than what the TV Stations were telling us.
It figures that religious bigotry was the driving factor in Concordia's ultimate demise. Sad and discouraging, but hardly a surprise. A good friend told me following the Overgefellv. Hodges decision by the US Supreme Court in 2015 that legalized same sex marriage here in the US that we would see across the board pushback from the Christian right unlike any pushback we've seen in our lifetimes and that things would get very, very ugly before they get better again. It seems as if he may have been correct.
“There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is.” - Terry Pratchett
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Let The Turmoil Begin!
The New York Times today broke a story about support for same-sex unions by Pope Francis. The statements appear in a film about the pope that release Oct. 21 in Rome, but are at odds with the Church's formal position.
That position is found in the Church's catechism where homosexuality is defined as intrinsically disordered (specifically, an intrinsic moral disorder that is the Protestant equivalent to depraved sin), and further fortified by Pope Benedict's 2003 proclamation that: "The Church teaches that respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behavior or to legal recognition of homosexual unions."
Read the New York Times piece here.
This news is certain to unleash a period of turmoil and infighting between the Pope what has become known for personal compassion and empathy, and the conservative hierarchy--especially conservative Bishops in the United States and Africa. It should be remembered that until/unless the Catechism of the Church changes, the formal teaching and position of the church remains the same.
Read more in our LGBTQ and Faith section here.
[Updated on: Wed, 21 October 2020 15:25]
Bensiamin
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INTERESTING! Here's the view of another Good Catholic Boy on the Pope's statement about civil unions!
Bensiamin
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It's hard to post this without it sounding self-satisfied or thinking about "chickens comin home to roost," but not only did Trump's Amy Coney Barrett super-spreader event infect a number of attendees, it also infected one of the most vocal opponents of same-sex marriage...who just died!
Perhaps there is divine justice!
[Updated on: Tue, 10 November 2020 18:57]
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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What a shame there is no deity
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Why some Black Christians, Africans, Afro-Americans, are anti-gay, lays in the roots of White colonialism. As with a lot of situations, you need to study history to see how we got to where we are today, and this topic is rather large.
Whilst primitive Black Africa was never homosexual positive, it was tolerant. The situation altered dramatically when the continent was conquered by Whites who brought their Christain bible. Interesting reading, - The Hidden Power of the Whites. The Secret Religion Withheld from the Primal Peoples / Le Pouvoir caché des Blancs. La religion secrète dissimulée aux peuples primitifs. - goes some way to explaining how the White religion was interpreted by those African societies upon whom it was imposed.
Two thirds of African nations with extremely repressive anti-gay laws are Commonwealth countries whose laws derive from British anti-sodomy laws which were only reprieved in 1967, compared to only one third of ex-French colonies, which country reprieved its anti-sodomy law with the French Revolution in 1750.
That we end up today with Black Christians more Christian than most Whites and Black Africans anti-gay, is an amalgam of circumstances rooted in world history. Given the broader picture, whilst it is easy to blame the vehement and hateful preaching of the so called (Black) Evangelists, you have to see how this arose. When you understand culture and history you may more easily see how opposing such people head on will not achieve the desired goal, but illuminating their road to prejudice might? Like completing the circle we started and are responsible for, ourselves!
https://www.persee.fr/doc/assr_0335-5985_1978_num_46_1_2156
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/african-sexuality -and-legacy-imported-homophobia
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