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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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Where ARE they? I only do not write them because I simply have no experience of skin shades and textures and hair texture etc. But I know for sure that other races turn me on too.
So where are they?
Why is gay black sex confined to "fetish" areas.
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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
Registered: February 2002
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It is here as a serious thought.
I have no idea what race any of us are unless we have said so, but I do know that gay people are not confined to white races! And I have a feeling that the lack of stories for those races actually hurts. There is an implication that a Chinese needs to be a blue eyed blond in order to find a boyfriend, which is ludicrous
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Registered: March 2012
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One of the very best stories is David HKs story
of Jimmy and Sakjai called 'Holding On For Dear
Life'. I check to see if there is more all the
time. It's more than a story of boys; it's two
people learning that no matter how they speak,
no matter what they look like; they are the same.
I love it when they have to grab the dictionary
to see what they are saying. Both boys, scared to
death and hating the world that makes them that way,
find each other.
My world is made up of whites,blacks,Hispanics,
Vietnamese,Haitians and Cubans. We get along by
staying out of each other's way. That's no solution.
I think perhaps, to answer your question, I would
feel odd writing a story about another culture
because I don't know enough about it to sound
intelligent. A good story has to have a plot; not
just "woohoo". And to have a good plot, the characters
have to have personalities developed from their
lives. You can't just name the two boys or men
Joe and Ming and then act like they are the same.
Does that make sense?
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Location: currently So Cal
Registered: May 2002
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I've seen a handful of stories about non-Whites over the years, but they are either poorly written or nothing more than porn. I have a few thoughts on the matter. Perhaps they aren't posted on the sites many of us visit because the stories on those sites are about Whites and the authors believe readers wouldn't be interested. Perhaps persons of other races simply aren't writing many stories or at least not in English. Finally, perhaps White authors simply don't have the background to write much about other cultures. There may be other reasons as well.
Currently I am writing my first story. I am perhaps a third, maybe halfway complete. One of the characters is half-White, half Native American although he identifies more with the White culture. BTW- Chris and Nigel is one of the stories that has inspired me to write.
Think good thoughts,
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Michael Simon
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Registered: January 1970
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... I have no clue, black for me is not really related to fetish. I agree with you that there is a certain hmmm...some kind of different "aura" (<--- can one say that in English???) about the different races that exist, and every race has to live with its clichees.
The lack of stories in this direction...well why should we as white write a story with black or native American or Asian heritage background. We should write about what we know and what mentalities we experience. If there would be more blacks among us I am sure we woudl read more stories involving black ppl. And look at A special Place by Sequoyah, there are many races, and in the story smith mentioned as well.
But a different thought on that, maybe it is provoking, but a value I am happy to have. If we dun see a difference on that topic, if we just accept everyone regardless of skin clour, and stories as they come we succeeded with equal rights. Am I wrong??
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I believe it is inherently wrong to call people of differing skin color a separate race.
I can support that belief on scientific grounds too by the way; there simply isn't enough genetic variation between the so-called human 'races' to warrant it being labelled as such. Anyway, that's beside the point of your post.
I think e pretty much nailed it down, most authors probably write about what they know about, ie, pink-skinned people. Perhaps simply out of habit, I'm not sure. To break the pattern, I myself do have plans for a story where one of the main characters is black, but it'll happen some ways off into the future. And I do have Leo too for example, who is pretty dark, so my repertoir isn't entirely composed of fair-skinned blonde blue-eyes... 
-Lenny
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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trevor
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Registered: November 2002
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And maybe you can write about your sauna friend down the road a bit, Lenny?
It was somewhat alluded to by Michael and others, but in today's society, at least in the US, physical features are not necessarily a good indicator of culture, even. There are many blacks (e.g. my adopted sisters) that know no more about the "afro-american" culture than this WASP boy, for example - even some who are from all-black families. Probably (sadly, in some ways) very true of Native Americans as well. And then, there are Hatians and native Africans (who sometimes hate being erroneously labelled African American, I'm told) etc who may all look very similar but have entirely different cultures.
It always amuses me, personally, to watch some british TV show with blacks (I'm told that's now P.C.?) who have accents - not my expectation at all.
So, um, my point is you probably COULD write a minority character, with or without an ethnic name, into a story without having any cultural differences referenced if you wanted to.
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Firstly, thanks smith for the positive review!! I'll send you and Charlie the first advance copies of HOFDL Chapter 12 as soon as it's finished, so you can each tell me if James and Sakjai continue to please...
I agree that it's bigger than just the race question now, as global mobility grows more and more common. For example, black Brits feel entirely different about being black than African Americans do. And are treated differently by and in each of their respective cultures.
Cultural and ethnic differences are just as powerful as race, in terms of differences and contrasts between them. In order to have more than just a character with an ethnic name, the writer has to know something about the different cultures he or she is attempting to describe.
My HOFDL wouldn't be nearly as successful if I didn't actually live in Thailand and know Thai people and language. And even tho I now have worked in Hong Kong for more than 4 years, I wouldn't attempt a story about a gay Hong Kong local (entirely different in many ways than a Chinese mainlander, btw...), as I have not attempted to learn Cantonese, have little experience with the local gay scene, and haven't studied the culture here as much as I have the one in Thailand.
Some stories do manage to describe characters from other races interestingly...Driver's "Every Day Love" has some black and Hispanic characters, and Jack's "Island Summer" describes another culture in a compelling way. But good stories like these are rare, for sure. Mostly out of lack of experience on the writers' parts, as others have said.
I believe there is gay writing in other languages on the Web. Loads of Spanish websites, and some of them must be story sites, for example. There is also a huge on-line gay novel written in Mandarin (Putongwa), and set in Beijing, which just got released as a movie. But it's written in Chinese, of course. Wish I could read it, but it hasn't been translated.
It would be terrific to read, too, as it's right up our ally. Older business guy, closeted, who pays rent boys for companionship, and the on-again-off-again relationship developing between one of them and him over time.
It's interesting that some stories attempt to write about Native American characters and themes. I think many of them are by "wanna be" types who have romanticized notions of native American history or culture. Which isn't really accurate, of course, altho it makes fun fantasy stuff. One story I skimmed recently ("Little Bear" I think it was called) attempted to place a Native American kid in England, living in the woods and saved by some older guy. Became a wanking story, of course. Didn't develop any more interestingly than that.
I'd love to have people tell us about other good stories in English with characters of different races and cultures, if you can point the way to them, please!!!
"Always forgive your enemies...nothing annoys them quite so much." Oscar Wilde
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I forgot another good example of writing with differing cultures in mind...our very own MB member from Wales!
And I also have been wondering lately, altho this is possibly an unrelated question for this thread...
Why do sooo many characters in gay Net stories have green eyes?? Waaay more than in the general population... I even did it myself in one of my own stories, and I'm not sure why, really.
"Always forgive your enemies...nothing annoys them quite so much." Oscar Wilde
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mihangel
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Location: UK
Registered: July 2002
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... and returns the compliments to you, David. smith's dead right about HOFDL - it's one of the most moving stories on the net, and a rare exception to Tim's rule. And dealing with a much deeper cultural difference than Xenophilia does.
I reckon several people have hit the nail on the head, that one can only write with any conviction about cultures one knows well - Thai in your case, Welsh in mine. I live in a part of Britain where black people are thin on the ground, and I don't know any, or not nearly well enough to base a story on black character(s). But Tim's right: there is a definite gap.
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Toe is in the water |
Location: Netherlands
Registered: April 2002
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First off I agree with Lenny, we're all one race, human. I've always wondered and I will NEVER understand why people can look upon others and only see skin color. I tried doing that, just to see if I could but I can't. I see people. Mostly I see eyes, have you tried looking at eyes in stead of skin color?? Try it, it's fascinating!!
Second, I know Black authors and to my amazement some write about blue eyed blonds, why? I dunno I guess cause they think other stories won't be accepted, will be rejected. And sadly I have to say they're probably right. The majority wants to read about blue eyed blonds with perfect bodies.
Hehe and Tim?? There'this HUGE bald black guy in one of my classes at school, his name is Ronald and he is SO increadably sexi!! Oh and he's a cop too LOL I'd love to see him in uniform!! But then I guess if he'd have been white he'd have turned my head too cause i have a thing for big guys.
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Charlie Smith
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Toe is in the water |
Registered: January 1970
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Cos green eyes are hot. Hehe.
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I have seen a few stories there that deal with other cultures. And I agree with Lenny, we are all one rece with many cultures. A phrase I have repeated many times to young and old who have made biased or bigoted remarks: There are only two kinds of people on this planet, male or female. If you aren't one then you are the other (and I love them both).
Hugs, Charlie
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Sometimes I think I am some kind of freak because I have no race issues at all. If a guy is decent looking with a nice smile i melt. Does not seem to matter what race he is at all (long as he is a boy! hehe) Am I so wierd? I just cannot see anyway to look at or talk to someone other than as an individual first. I really don't understand where it comes from?
I once told my mom who was terribly shocked because I was dating a black guy "Mom I am GAY, we are already a minority and cannot afford to me predjudice"!
Please tell me I am not alone?
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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Tim,
Please see the previous reply as I am kinda worried about myself and everyone else
Confused Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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Location: currently So Cal
Registered: May 2002
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Are you referring to my post? If so I can try to clarify if you tell me what is worrying you. I hope my comments aren't threatening to anyone. They weren't meant to be.
Think good thoughts,
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trevor
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Registered: November 2002
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I wish more people were generally race-blind. I am certainly more attracted to some races than others, or maybe I just seem to find more "cute" guys in certain races? But, once in awhile I surprise myself by noticing a new "type" of cutie!
My wife may have a quality similar to yours - she never mentions the race of people she works with and if asked to describe someone, it's about the last thing she thinks of. If asked "is he black?" she sometimes has to think hard to answer.
I think you may be a minority (pun intended) in your thinking, from my experience, but everyone is unique in some way or another. Or, maybe you're just hornier than most? Just kidding.
I think detailed descriptions of people in stories help us to visualize the characters the author intended, so I appreciate that. In a few stories, like David from HK's (sorry, don't recall the name right now) it's also critical to the plot.
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I find myself thanking you quite often. And maybe I AM hornier than most! hehe
But that is really great to hear. Thank your wife for me too.
Huge hugs,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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no to my post before about feeling like a Freak
You have never been anything but kind. Thank you
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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