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marc
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I'm sorry, but I just have to say this.
A story depicting a relationship of a sexual nature between an adult and a fourteen year old boy is wrong. Furthermore, take that scenario into the world of bondage and S&M and it becomes reprehensible.
Take that story, and place it onto a web site that attracts young people who are undergoing a degree of personal cricis reguarding their sexual identity, and has the nerve to call itself "A Place of Safety".... Is there something wrong with this picture?
I am sorry, I just have to say yes...
Just my opinion....
Marc.......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
Registered: February 2002
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That was a bit brutal was it not?
Please tell me: Have you actually read the story?
If you have only read the warnings, I do not feel you are able to make a valid comment. If you have read the story I am content to discuss it.
The site, however, is separate from the messagaboard. It always has been and always will be, depsite other people's attempts to make the one entity.
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marc
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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tim
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It has no place in the messageboard, for sure.
I am not certain that topics within it have a place on the messageboard, so I will not go into them in any detail, and much I have said in lower posts in answer to Cossie.
The story is certainly about a substantial age difference between the protagonists, and to do with unusual sexual practices, practices I neither wish to indulge in, nor advise a person to indulge in. Nor, in my own story "the Misfit" do I anticipate that anyone will kill himself because he has read it. Nor that anyone who is not gay is likely to try gay sex because he has read a teenage chocolate box romatic erotic story as the majority of the rest of the stories on the site are, with the notable exception of (at present) Jack Rowan and The Composer.
I subscribe to the view that anyone who wishes to be a part of the fetish/BDSM/S&M scene will find other ways into it, and will read other stories about bondage and spanking. Ed Bangor writes some excellent ones in that genre, and with somewhat young and inexperienced participants.
The story is hosted on my site. Not here, but on my site, and is hosted behind all the barriers I intend to put in except a password, which is a fatuous piece of pseudo security (amd one that no-one has suggested, and I expect will raise its head in due course).
A major reason for hosting the story has been to provoke thought. The debate is welcome as well, but the major reason was to provoke thought.
- no-one comes to any harm in this tale except an attempted rapist
- the acts between the man and the boy are done from the boy's perspective and for the boy
- while you can argue thatthe man enjoys then (and no-one who has such a set up will be unable to enjoy them) it is the boy's enjoyment that is paramount
- unlike the rather awful and classic boylove stories, this is true consent (this we coudl doubtless argue for days and here I would prefer the author to be involved - please involve him by clicking the email link)
- substantial morality is shown throughout, not just by the pair concerned but by those represented as controlling the environment where it takes place
However, to me the most important element is what the story has presented me with in real life. I will not reveal any of the email messages that have made very posiitve statements about how a number of people will now alter their own lives because they have read the story. Nor will I reveal whom I have been able to help better with a better understanding of real abuse, nor the twelve year old boy who asked me for advice on the relationship he was in as a voluntary slave which he subsequently took control of and dissolved becausee his substantially older "master" was unfit.
There will be people who read such a tale and act badly upon it. They will have read it already on Nifty (where is is under "adult-youth" not under "authoritarian". There will also be people who read (eg)Chris and Nigel and act badly afterwards. I cannot and will not legislate for nor take responsibility for those people.
Instead I take the view that was taken by libraries accused of displaying pornography when they displayed Frank Mapplethorpe's work.
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marc
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However you choose to slice it, this message board is a part of your website. It is NOT separate.
The story in question is not appropriate to any site that attracts young readers. You can pile warning upon warning and it does noe alter the fact that children will read it.
It should be removed. And at once.
Marc
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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tim
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I have no intention of falling out with you over this as a friend.
The story remains.
I stand by my statements, and by my decision to host it.
No-one has given me any argument to change my mind.
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marc
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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tim
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This is turning in to a harrangue. I am not a fan of harrangues.
I have seen nothikng to make me alter my decision. behidn the scenes I have several emails telling me of the help it has been. These will stay behind the scenes.
That the story is controversial is fact. That it has areas that are distasteful is fact.
Please do not harrangue me. Your point has been made. I have simply chosen to listen to it and not to accept it.
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John
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Tim is not a person who accepts other opinions than his own, let alone let someone change his opinion in a discussion!
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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An email address would have been nice, but that is of little real importance.
You will find that I have change my opinions many times over the years, and altered my website to match those altering opinions.
What I will not do is respond in any positive manner to hectoring, veiled abuse or any other form of pressure.
I have no idea which John this is, nor am I at all interested. What I will do is to leave your post here for all to see. It borders on the unacceptable, and I feel very much that it is personal abuse. Addressed to another party here, ANY other party, I would remove it like a shot.
I am sure you and he will each seek to have the final comment. Please do go ahead.
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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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That post is time stamped later than this one.
Your constant harrangues have made me the more certain that the story stays. As I told you earlier I have no intention of falling out with you over this.
I have never told you what to put and what not to put on your own site, nor interfered with your decisions in any manner. I have no intention of doing so now or in the future. I would simply ask that you display the same courtesy to me.
There was a point when this correspondence shoudl have moved from public forum to email or instant message. What you have achieved, if you have achieved anything at all, is to make people wonder what all the fuss is about and to choose to read a story that they would otherwise have passed by.
Monopolising debate with a harrangue is not a way to win, though it does appear satisfying at the time. Repeating a slogan often does not make it right.
Your point has been put. I have listened. I choose to keep the story.
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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Tim, alas, you disappoint me. If your defence is the messages of support you have received by e-mail, then share them with us. They can be depersonalised. To suggest that you have support that you decline to exhibit insults our intelligence and does you no credit. You KNOW how highly I regard what you do - I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me (if that were the case, debate would be no fun!), but PUHLEEZ play by the rules!
Cossie XLIV - a wee, cowerin', timorous beastie.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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