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Soliciting some advice  [message #3784] Mon, 05 August 2002 05:24 Go to next message
kevin is currently offline  kevin

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Just wanted to ask a question to any of the folks who read or responded to the 'Toyota' thread.

Do you think I should make this a more public fight?

What would the benefits be?

Any consequences?

Thanks, Kevin



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Cost/Benefit Analysis  [message #3785 is a reply to message #3784] Mon, 05 August 2002 06:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
trevor is currently offline  trevor

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I think you really have to look at the PERSONAL pros/cons first. Presumably, it wasn't THAT great of a job, was temporary, and you can find another fairly easily. IF it was specialized or especially wonderful, you might really want it back badly.

To go public will mean lots of public scrutiny of YOU and your personal life, presumably. I don't recall if you are out or what your personal life is like enough to comment on that score.

There will probably also be the issue of if it really WAS wrongful termination - that is, did they REALLY fire you for orientation-related issues, or are there other factors? This may be hard to judge objectively and of course you never know what management is really doing or thinking.

Finally, and personally, this would be my LAST priority, cuz I'm NOT the Lance type (thank God for the "evangelists" like him, though): How much would it benefit society/your former co-workers, future workers, give you satisfaction and closure if you were to "win" and sue them big time, have it hit the papers, etc? Personally, I have a huge issue with "fairness" but I'm no martyr.

Good luck - hopefully others will give other insight.
yes too all of that  [message #3786 is a reply to message #3785] Mon, 05 August 2002 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Simon is currently offline  Michael Simon

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I really would consider it an issue not easily to be decided about. You will expose yourself, and there si potential danger. I dunno you but I woudl be careful! This is an important topic but not worth to be ruined for.
Make two lists  [message #3787 is a reply to message #3784] Mon, 05 August 2002 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tim is currently offline  tim

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List One: How it will help ME if I do this
List Two: How it will HARM me if I do this

Note the different emphasis in the capitalisation.

Compare the lists, even post them here, and consider, ideally with your lawyer when you select the right one, the true benefit of going public. And feel at total liberty to disregard ALL advice and go with gut feleing.
Re: Soliciting some advice  [message #3789 is a reply to message #3784] Mon, 05 August 2002 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guest is currently offline  Guest

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My advice is to do nothing until you have an attorney and talked with a glbt gay rights organization like Triangle. You can't do this alone. You need professional advice from professional people who have been down this road before.

Obviously the main risk (aside from outing yourself in the media) would be slander. You must choose what you say to the media very carefully in prepared statements that you read (I would think). You yourself wouldn't even have to appear before the media - it could be handled thru your attorney. You could even be anonymous and have a spokesman.

I don't see this as a means to get your job back. I see this as an attempt to get:
justice and some closure,
a nice cash settlement (including your court costs & medical/mental health expenses),
try to get the company to give mandatory diversity training classes to all supervisors,
fire or reprimand your boss,
get a cash settlement from your boss,
change the way all minorities are treated in that company.

No one can determine whether you have a good case or not except a good lawyer. If he/she looks at your evidence and says you could win this, then it will be your decision. A lot of times a corporation will settle out of court to avoid bad publicity. This would be compensation for the discrimination and abuse that you suffered plus your expenses.

Whatever you decide, remember that this is your life. Do you want to disrupt your life and spend years possibly suing this company and their employees. Are you prepared to lose?

My advice is to get professional advice from a gay rights attorney and a gltb gay rights organization.
Re: Soliciting some advice  [message #3795 is a reply to message #3784] Mon, 05 August 2002 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
e is currently offline  e

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I think Tim and Lance are on the right track here. Talk to someone who knows how to handle such things, maybe more than one.

Think good thoughts,
e
One more thing - I forgot to make my point!  [message #3799 is a reply to message #3789] Mon, 05 August 2002 19:12 Go to previous message
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I forgot to make my point about the correlation between you going to the media now and getting a settlement out of court. I said "A lot of times a corporation will settle out of court to avoid bad publicity."

I forgot to add - if you have already given them bad publicity in the media they have no reason to settle.

So you have to decide what you want to accomplish if you pursue this. A gay rights attorney can tell you all of your options.
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