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Tim you are a big idiot and this is the least aggressive I could say  [message #397] Sun, 13 January 2002 10:27 Go to next message
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If you think warnings can prevent anything just go the the sahck and read. Warnings do nothing nothing
This is what I got for an answer  [message #407 is a reply to message #397] Sun, 13 January 2002 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The very idea of your trying to make a political point over a young boy's death astounds me.



I will leave your post for all to see and marvel."





Oh yes, please leave it, I POSTED IT EXACTLY FOR THIS REASON! FOR ALL TO SEE AND THINK! Otherwise I'd sent you an email. And I couldn't care less of what you think of me and of what you are trying to make of me!



The very idea of your trying to make it look like I was making a political point over a young boy's death astounds me!



I was not making a political point. How dare you to try and make it look like this! How dare you! How blind are you? Do you still see anybody else than yourself? I was saying what I think, what I feel, I'm upset, I'm angry, I don't even I know what I am. Justy was a precious young man whom I liked very much, how could I use him for anything?



YOU, obviously cannot bear anybody's different opinion without kicking around and insulting people. YOU are the one who makes political points of everything that doesn't agree with you. You should be ashamed, not me.



I said nothing about if it was right or wrong to have this story on your site - I couldn't care less, frankly. Not because of the story, I didn't read it, I cannot and will not join the debate. I couldn't care less because the debate isn't really one as you will not budge an inch. The only thing I know and said is that you cannot keep anybody away from reading and trying if they are of an adventurous - what a horrible word here, but I didn't find another one - frame of mind. It doesn't matter how deep you bury anything, they will find it. You cannot feel safe and without responsibility just because you put up some detours before it can be accessed.



If this is a reason to marvel over me - so be it. As I said, I couldn't care less.



I wish you all the best for the rest of your life, happiness and fulfillment. I'll take care to never meet you again, I trust you'll do the same.



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Very well said Alie! I second your opinion!  [message #408 is a reply to message #407] Sun, 13 January 2002 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remembering Justy  [message #419 is a reply to message #397] Mon, 14 January 2002 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alie, I don't know you, but I think I know how you feel. I didn't know Justy very well, but I did know him a little. I liked him a lot, especially his quirky sense of humour.



I just want to say that I agree with you about warnings - as I'm sure you'll realise if you've read my postings here. They are useless as a discouragement to those who wish to explore. But Justy was an explorer, and I doubt whether any of us could have deflected him from the course he wanted to pursue. I agree that Tim is wrong, and have said so, but this little squabble won't change the world. There'll be other Justys, however hard we try to fight against it. That doesn't mean that it isn't worth fighting - it is! Walking away from the issue doesn't achieve anything.



Yes, Tim was being arrogant; I knew that, and I knew that I wasn't going to change him, but I wanted to make people think. And I think his reaction to you was pretty unforgivable, especially from someone who claims the right to offer guidance to others - he certainly didn't understand the emotion you were expressing. But are any of us perfect? If there is anything constructive we can do in memory of Justy, it is to continue trying to change the way some people think. And to do that, we need to find tolerance and forgiveness in ourselves.



I wish I were close enough to hug you; I think we both need it.



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It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
I would enter this debate, but I have just lost a very close friend. I have no stomach for this.  [message #422 is a reply to message #397] Mon, 14 January 2002 10:51 Go to previous message
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