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This is eleven-year-old Jakob: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0210/02/NYHETER-02s19jakob.jpg
He was found murdered in a lake. His crime: his parents were really REALLY rich.
I don't know what to say...
I feel all out of words right now. I feel insignificant.
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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Registered: March 2012
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should we start a death penitly thread now?......
peace
tim...of USA
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Yet another crime of hate. This one being of class?
Just sucks.
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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Just one of sheer greed, one where someone thought he'd found the fast-track to considerable wealth.
You see, Jakob was kidnapped recently and briefly held for a one million Euro ransom. Unfortunately, it seems his life was taken from him very early on, maybe as soon as he was brought to the place he was found.
The perpetrator: a young law student (he's 27) who worked extra as an assistant teacher at Jakob's school it seems. The deed may have been in planning for a long time as the man befriended Jakob and visited his home to help him and his siblings with their school work. He also lives near Jakob's family. So in order to keep his secret, the kidnapper did what he did...
How can anyone kill a child for money?
I've followed this case as best I can (it took place in Germany, we're country neighbors, but it's not a big story over here), and just like the two kidnapped girls in England this past summer, there was always the hope that this kid would turn up alive.
But he didn't, and now I don't know what to say...
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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A moments silence for the passing of this boy and others like him. He will always live in peoples memories. Hugs for his Parents........
Rest in Gods arms Jakob.
People have a habit of changing your direction through life
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warren c. e. austin
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Lenny, this is truly amazing.
As I was reading this story on CNN yesterday, my second thought was that you would probably start a thread on this particular topic; my first was for the boy himself and his family.
I must be slowly beginning to appreciate the manner in which your mind works, or at least to some degree how your sensibilites do.
I admire you for your compassion and for your ability to still have outrage over travesties such as this; unfortunately, in the face of so many others - there seems to be a "new" one each day - making headlines, our society has quickly become inured to them, and seems incapable any meaningful response.
Crime involving youths and children, especially as victims rather than perpetrators, are particularly heart-wrenching and henious; even more so when they end in their death.
I could never possibly think of anything that this young boy, or any other child of eleven (or any age for that matter), could have done that would warrant his being killed for his just being who he is. I sincerely hope they catch the monster(s) responsible for this; but I would would hope the same (and have done so) in any other such circumstance, too.
Warren C. E. Austin
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marc
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Sometimes it happens in drive by shootings... Small children cut down for doing nothing more than playing in their front yard!!!
Sometimes it is because their government steals the releif food sent to thier countries because they have to feed their army!!!
Sometimes it is because a drunken father doesn't realize just how hard he is smaching the baby for crying for milk or a clean diaper!!!
Alot of children die for about as many reasons... or the lack or reason!!!
But we choose to focus on the rich kid purely because he is rich!!!
Sensationalistic journalism strikes again....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I didn't want to make this about me, but let me tell you why I find this case so sad.
Part of it is I've been waiting in line for about ten months now for a psychiatric evaluation to (what I believed), try and find out what's wrong in my life, what makes me feel so down all the time. Well, seems I'd been given false hopes, it was not what I expected AT ALL, and I've been walking around in an (especially) black cloud since yesterday morning when I had my second (and now last) appointment. So I felt sad when I read he was dead because I was already feeling sad.
On top of that, my goddamn computer's been fucking with me all morning today. Virus killer shot itself in the foot while auto-updating so I had to re-install it, unfortunately it had already pissed all over my registry so the re-install failed (twice, I might add). I am now without virus protection! This didn't exactly improve my mood.
What really caught me though was, like I said in the first post. What happened to this kid was because of what his PARENTS was. He became a target because of their wealth. I'm sad, Mark, because he was a cute kid who had to pay too high a price for somethign which he had no control over whatsoever; that he happened to be born to wealthy parents.
If a kid is gunned down randomly in a drive-by shooting, it's a random act. We can't find a reason for it other than some lunatic was amusing himself in a twisted, perverted manner. If children die in wars or of starvation, the reason is because of uncaring leaders who are more interested in power than the welfare of their people.
But here is a boy who died because a person cynically targetted him because of his parents high social standing. Approached him and won his trust so he could get close enough to abduct him. Murdered him early on so he couldn't tell the police who had taken him. There was never any intention on the kidnapper's behalf to let the child go. All he cared about was the money and to get away with his loot, he already had airplane tickets ready when he was arrested by police.
The cynicism here is especially biting. To deliberately kill an innocent child over money is an act I CANNOT understand.
Did this person ever consider that the actions he committed were FINAL? This kid, whom he killed for financial gain (and not a very large gain at that, the sum wouldn't have supported him for the rest of his life or anything unless he was very strict with his expenses), is now GONE FOREVER.
So no, it wasn't because he was rich I became upset over this. Sensationalistic journalism? No, not the way it was reported in this paper. It would have received as much attention if it had been a poor family's child being abducted. Those English schoolgirls weren't particulary rich as far as I know, for example, and they got more coverage over here.
I'm just about ready to say "fuck this!" to everything. I'm tired right now. Don't talk to me.
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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I agree that not enough media attention is paid to the children of poor families. But do you really think we should cast of others as irrelevant as a solution?
Furthermore, it seems to me the person who wrote the first post might be somewhat upset. He might be in need of a little compassion and understanding right now.
Just a thought, not an attack.
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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warren c. e. austin
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Lenny
You have every right to "care" and you should, just as I, and every other living soul on this planet should care.
Unfortunately, as Marc does point out, thousands of children do die each year, many victims of crimes such as you have seen fit to comment upon in this venue (and please if the mood stikes you, do so again), others through starvation, war, disease, ad nauseum. Many of these deaths (including those arising from a majority of diseases) could have, and should have been avoidable. The travesty, aside from their dying in the first place, is the compacency of society at large averring this to be the natural order.
Like you, I cannot, and will not accept that complacency; nor should anyone else.
Warren C. E. Austin
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Each respondent to this thread is right. One cannot argue with Marc's points, or lenny's grief, not anyone else who has expressed an opinion.
I wonder about a debate on it, though. Not right, I feel.
A simple prayer, in whatever your faith may be, or no faith at all, for children everwhere who are hurting through no fault of their own. Rich, poor, the "wrong" religion, or none at all. That is all I feel we should do here.
And work to change the hurts we can influence.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Drive by shootings usually are about controlling a gangs territory... in effect their area of opperations for their drug dealing and the like.
Wars are about the power, not the people... hence the payback is wealth...
As far as depression goes, I am sorry you feel down. Believe me I know what depression is... and I know there is a way out...
BUT.... The cold reality here is that if you expected everyone to fall in line and just agree that this tragedy is in some way unique to all the rest of the plight in the world then youre mistaken.
It is just one more incident... Terrible, yes, but none the less it is just one more....
Oh, and on another note, the name is spelled with a "c"
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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smith
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Any life.....rich/poor, young/old,when taken in violence deserves respect and grief. I understand how you feel Lenny and I grieve with you.
At the top of this MB, right up there ^^^^^ are some words we need to remember. "I expect simple behaviors here...friendship and love."
Inflicting pain on a child is unforgivable...and to do it out of greed compiles the horror. To say that he is just yet another in a long list of children being raped or murdered, is to belittle his memory. He was not JUST another child, just as you and I are not JUST people. We are important !! I won't ever accept that a person's death by the hands of another, especially a child, is just a statistic. I may be a kid but I do know that EVERYONE counts, no more..no less.
smith
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marc
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I never mentioned statistics, just that these things happen...
and my aim was to emphasize that the little people, the poor, the homeless, the annonymous faceless strangers you pass on the street are indeed worth the attention, the feeling, the grief, the memory that the poor boy that was kidnapped was.
No sound is as loud as the cry of the smallest child.
I'm sorry if my responce to Lenny's post upset him, but I had no way of knowing his state of mind at the time of his post.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I agree with all of you (especially smith and timmy). I guess my point was that a reply to the first post, appropriately, should go to the greif and pain expressed by Lenny.
I am not sure this was a debate, if it was, I apologize.
One of our friends has shown us a horrid thing, and he himself was in pain over it. We cannot help Jakob, but we can help our friend. None of us here think this is OK.
Lets do what we can.
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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smith
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Registered: January 1970
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I understand your reasoning; I respect your words.
I've been told many times that online we can't see the other person's eyes and so we have to take the words and translate them best way that we can. Is a difficult task. If I had seen your eyes,I would have understood.
Sometimes a child's cry is silent too.
smith
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No, I didn't expect everyone to fall in line or anything like that. I told about something that affected ME emotionally. How you chose to respond (if at all) is up to you of course, but I'd prefer if you were less callous in your future dealings with me at least.
Yes, I got your name wrong. This is why I've asked Tim for an edit function (because I realized my mistake immediately after hitting the Post! button), but he thinks it would be abused. If the board only accepted edits within maybe 2 minutes of posting, that would not be a problem and one could still fix obvious mistakes like mine.
-Lenny
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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So true smith. Sometimes the cries stop and the living goes on. I dont think people meant to belittle the memory of Jakob but were just putting their own POV to this tragic event.
People have a habit of changing your direction through life
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Re: I don't know what to say... 
Oh, that was JUST what I needed to hear today, Mark. 
I know what to say ! 
