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Unsure whether to applaud or weep  [message #724] Mon, 04 February 2002 14:02 Go to next message
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An Article in The Observer is worth reading. The Observer is "The Guardian on Sunday". It is a paper notable for its affiliation to the 3rd party in UK politics.

Oddly no-one seems to have considered cybercafes.
icon5.gif UK Newspaper Question  [message #725 is a reply to message #724] Mon, 04 February 2002 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is this the same paper that used to be the Manchester Guardian? It was my impression that it had a good reputation as a liberal, as in the civil libetties sense, paper. Am I misinformed or has it changed?

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Re: UK Newspaper Question  [message #726 is a reply to message #725] Tue, 05 February 2002 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The old Manchester Guardian became simply The Guardian the best part of 40 years ago. It still stands out in a sea of generally right-wing papers as the liberal (with a small 'l') flagship: at least in my opinion. Its broadsheet competitors are The Independent (as its name implies, but for my money a touch pallid), The Times (distinctly to the right), and The Daily Telegraph (far to the right). The tabloids are another, and generally dismal, matter.

The Observer is The Guardian's Sunday equivalent; it has long been liberal, is now in the same ownership (the Guardian Media Group), and although editorially independent is regarded (as Tim said) as 'The Guardian on Sunday'.
Or libraries, or a friend's computer, etc.  [message #728 is a reply to message #724] Tue, 05 February 2002 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icon6.gif Another venerable antique!  [message #730 is a reply to message #725] Tue, 05 February 2002 01:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I refer to Richard, of course - he must be, if he can remember the days of the Manchester Guardian! But although the article Tim brought to the board wasn't exactly penetrating (or should have used another word there?) I agree wholeheartedly with Mihangel - the Guardian/Observer is the sole surviving quality bastion of liberalism in today's English press, and by and large it does an excellent job. It even avoids most typographical errors - when The Guardian first moved its base to London the typo quality was so poor that it was universally known - to supporters and detractors alike - as 'The Grauniad'!



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icon12.gif Re: Another venerable antique!  [message #733 is a reply to message #730] Tue, 05 February 2002 01:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember the Manchester Guardian and the Observer too; they were my daily newspapers when I lived in Old Blighty/Albion... So, I suppose I am an antique too. The Guardian certainly was "a bastion of liberalism" when I knew it, though I suspect, from what I hear, that I would not approve of it today since it is consistently disapproving of what is now my country. As far as the "Grauniad" is concerned: I think that should make it an admirable newspaper for Tim, our webmaster! (I love you, Tim.)
icon8.gif Speak for yourself my dear.  [message #734 is a reply to message #730] Tue, 05 February 2002 02:14 Go to previous message
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It takes a certain amount of time for these changes to be desiminated half way around the world.
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