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Orientations [message #395]

Sun, 13 January 2002 05:03

richard lyon

Toe is in the water

Location: San Francisco
Registered: February 2002
Messages: 55

There have been some very interesting notions raised here about sexual orientations (gay/streight/bi) and the possibility of an SM orientation as an "intrinsic" aspect of a persons sexuality.

I am more familiar with the issues about sexual orientation. There is clearly no consensus about this in academic/scientific circles. Some people think it is genetically predetermined and others doubt that there is such a thing in any absolute sense.

I am inclined to see it as being in a sense similar to the notion of race. There is some sort of fuzzy biological reality there, but as people waste less time defending irrational prejudices the whole concept becomes increasingly irrelevant.

Role postures such as passive or domineering are pretty basic aspects of personalities. If they aren't intrinsic, they aren't easily changed. I am not sure how deterministic this would be in a choice to participate in a structured SM subculture, but I doubt that it is completely unrelated.

I am strongly inclined to think that these are very fundamental aspects of a person's personality/sexuality. It appears to me unlikely that they are going to be much influenced by the reading of one or two stories. I think that that view would find considerable support among psychological professionals.

Richard

		Orientations By: richard lyon on Sun, 13 January 2002 05:03
		Orientation or Destiny? By: cossie on Mon, 14 January 2002 02:56
		This post is giving me trouble to make By: tim on Mon, 14 January 2002 03:12
		Please read the post above first By: tim on Mon, 14 January 2002 03:20
		Tim, this was a courageous post ... By: cossie on Mon, 14 January 2002 04:24
		Re: Please read the post above first By: brian on Mon, 14 January 2002 16:12
		I am also thinking of the warning his father asked to be circualted By: tim on Mon, 14 January 2002 16:51
		it's the same with all kinds of information... By: brian on Mon, 14 January 2002 18:01
		Re: I am also thinking of the warning his father asked to be circualted By: Jack Rowan on Mon, 14 January 2002 22:09
		Re: Orientation or Destiny? By: richard lyon on Mon, 14 January 2002 03:36
		I agree with your first paragraph, but the crucial words are 'once formed'! By: cossie on Mon, 14 January 2002 04:26
		Can I be very basic here? By: tim on Mon, 14 January 2002 17:43
		Re: Can I be very basic here? By: richard lyon on Tue, 15 January 2002 01:26
		Re: Can I be very basic here? By: ron on Tue, 15 January 2002 12:37
		Vitriol.... Hostility.... Hmmm.... By: marc on Tue, 15 January 2002 13:36
		Re: Vitriol.... Hostility.... Hmmm.... By: ron on Wed, 16 January 2002 06:46
		Re: Can I be very basic here? By: richard lyon on Tue, 15 January 2002 15:21
		Could anyone offended agree to kiss and make up? By: tim on Tue, 15 January 2002 18:23
		Vitriol? By: Jack Rowan on Tue, 15 January 2002 20:06
		Re: Can I be very basic here? Or at least partially so... By: marc on Tue, 15 January 2002 14:47
		Re: Can I be very basic here? By: jasper on Tue, 15 January 2002 15:18
		Of shoes, and ships, and sealing wax ... ... ... By: cossie on Tue, 15 January 2002 16:42
		Alice Later ON By: richard lyon on Tue, 15 January 2002 20:46
		Re: Alice Later ON By: Jack Rowan on Wed, 16 January 2002 01:44
		Revd. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) By: cossie on Wed, 16 January 2002 03:54

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