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Then what's the ruckus about?! I haven't been reading the messages, for obvious reasons, but when I read Robert's post calling smith "stupid" and accusing him of having no faith, I just blew my top.
I'M NOT HERE FOR THIS.
I just can't take it! I don't want to single anyone out, but Robert, I don't know what you're here for, but we don't appretiate this attitude on the MB. And so far, I've seen you stir up trouble with some other members, and all I have to say is, just stop. Please. Just stop. This is a place of SAFETY. This goes to EVERYONE who's causing a ruckus.
Once again, I apologize if I'm singling anyone out -- that is not my intent, because I probably don't know what's going on. What I DO know is that unkind things are being said, people are hurt, and people are upset.
THIS MUST STOP.
Shape up, or ship out. Or I'll ship out. I can't take this anymore.
-Tom
"Whatever is sought for can be caught, you know,
whatever is neglected slips away."
Oedipus Rex, lines 126-127
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tim...of usa
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Location: buffalo, new york...USA
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yes we did tom.
and i for one am going to back to my post as quiet observer, its just not worth comming here and saying some thing only to possibble be called stipid or have my personal beliefs or lack of them questioined by some one else.
back to my safe place with my mouth shut.
peace
tim...of USA
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I am not pleased that people say that THEY will go if they are derided.
That pleases me less that the fighting. I will be disappinted if people leave. ANY people.
smith has replied with dignity and gravitas. He has asked me to let this ride for a while, so I will. Interesting how one of the youngest of us can show the adults how to act. I see cold anger in his words, well expressed, and with total politeness. That kis precisely how a messagebaord discussioj SHOULD run. One may be angry and also do it with politeness
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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smith
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This is OUR place....has been......always will be. Thanks, Tommy. Thanks, TIM. Neither of you will go anywhere and neither of you will be quiet. YOU are what makes this MB a haven for us all. I'm not fighting with anyone. I kept my mouth shut before but, since I am not exactly stupid, I can give as well as get. To make a friend, you have to be one. Let's pick our battles, guys 
{{{hugs}}}
smith J
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I am asking you, pleading really. It's obvious that you have some intelligence. Whether you agree or disagree with any of us, can you make your point without name-calling?
I am not asking this for myself, though I would certainly prefer a dialog like that. Hurling names and insults is no way to get your point across, no matter what your views of war may be.
You are now attacking my friends for something I started. If you feel better calling names, please restrict it to me OK? I will not tolerate my friends being maligned like this for long I assure you. But I will promise to respect your rights to your views as well as the right to voice those views.
Again, pick on me, not my friends. After all I started the thread in the first place and I have much stronger views against war than almost everyone else.
Come on big guy, lighten up on the others, take on me if you need to fight.
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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timmy
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Registered: February 2003
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Many of the answers were valid.
Abusive answers and name calling are only valid in that, ipso facto, they lose any discussion. So I left them. Almost all of them.
I will not have this place turned into a freak show, nor a backbiting foot stamping queeny place. If I judge a topic to be unsuitable I will talk behind the scenes to the originator.
There are some who object to this saying "It should play out in public", but I disgaree. I have watched that elsewhere.
Now, so we are all clear, I have spoken to Kevin and todl him clearly that his topic was valid and that it could and should have been discussed well and passionately but without any form of abuse. He canntounderstand why it was not, and neither can I.
So, to the people who want to fight, my message is simple.
You are here at my invitation. You are guests in my house. My house rules prohibit fighting, and encourage discussion. Not debate. Discussion. It's different. Your views are respected when they are well put, and when phrased with politeness. Anger maybe expressed politely too. I am pleased to see each and every one of you here. And I expect and insist on strandards of decency in your behaviour.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I agree wih Tom, this is crazy. I have been told by a bunch of you that I showed up at a weird moment for the board... But good grief, this is insane. I hope the board returns to what I keep getting told it is, which was that you guys are a family and really care about each other. Can ya at least drop the name calling!!!
~Andy~
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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To ban religion and politics. Or I was until I thought about it.
We are, after all, a minority, and one affected by religious and political persecution.
I have abolished name calling. I seem to recall doing it the moment I opened a messagebaord at all. What we discover, sometimes, is that some of us are unable to discuss without name calling. As I said before, they lose the audience at once. But they do gain a kind of "crowd baying for blood".
Starved of the oxygen of a similar reaction the name caller usually withdraws, moderates his tone, and rejoins us having learnt something about behaviour.
We do get schoolyard fights.
I have decided that, when a schoolyard fight starts I will create a boxing ring for each participant. They can slug it out, insult to insult, there, in public, looking increasingly stupid as insults fly. We can WATCH and giggle, but not participate.
I will say clearly that smith's reaction is not a schoolyard fight, and that anyone who uses decency and politeness to respond to flames wil never be criticised by me here. I will also say that the non partisan politics expressed by Kevin in his post showing distaste for war is also welcome and valid.
While I do not believe in this "war" I will also be content with well presented words in favour. We deserve to see an dunderstand each party. We simply do not have to agree with everyone else. I do NOT expect war to be discussed inthis thread.
I cannot ban religion or politics. What I can ban is an ATTACK on either. Discussions rule. Attacks GO!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hey Mate, if ya need some helping Paws?? I have some Roos that will protect and serve?? hehe
Some ppl get caught up in their own importance and some get caught in a rut. I think that ALL the guys that come here would go away feeling a little less pleased after leaving negative comments?? I agree with ya Mate. Friends IS best
People have a habit of changing your direction through life
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Dad (Tim), would ya like a set of Roos guards to be placed at the beginning of the Forum?? huh??
I know where there are a few that have been bludging and getting TOO fat?? hehe
People have a habit of changing your direction through life
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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A small gathering of roos. WITH boxing gloves at present!
Skippy has retired, hasn't he?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I mean it, from the bottom of my heart.
Hugs:
-L
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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warren c. e. austin
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 247
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... for the Board; one that few here could, or would, ever say they is representative of "our" typical behaviour.
Let's just for the moment assume that it's being caused by the phases of the moon, or something, and that although some here may appear to be like a hound braying at the first sign of movement, the greater majority would far rather snuggle up to a warm fire, comforting embraces and tender companionship.
And, just like those phases of the moon, or sun-spot activity, or misalignment of the stars, or all else that humankind may and has been known to use to justify anti-social behaviour, this too will soon pass.
Didn't I hear you say in another thread that "you" found a friend here?
That, in of itself, alone justifies "our" existence, and purpose!
It is my fervant prayer that each and every visitor who passes through the door here would be, and is, just as fortunate as you.
Warren C. E. Austin
Toronto, Canada
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