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As some of you know, I do try to do my part for "us" and man/womankind in general.
I feel so strongly about the war issue and killing as an answer to situations we may not agree with that I need to make my voice heard. Unfortunately, this kind of topic causes to much pain here for a few. I will try to drop by from time to time, but I will be writing articles for some on-line and print news sources.
Don't think I am ignoring you guys or avoiding you at all...
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".... and .... I ... um ... I really do want World Peace"!
See ya all soon,
Much Love,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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trevor
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Registered: November 2002
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Glad to know you wont just LEAVE Kev. Maybe one day when ya have some time you might like to chat with the Roo master??  hehe <----00----> Hugs
People have a habit of changing your direction through life
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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As someone who is developing strong feelings and is discussing(!) them elsewhere, I have seen two deeply entrenched sides take arms against each other. It i snot a discussion. It;s a battle between each side who has "common sense" on their side.
Some argue that UN resolutions justify beating the crap out o fthe man, and justify it wuth "He vilates human rights anyway", and others reply that "the case against him, while strong, is not proven".
I fall into the latter camp, and have argued inneffectively against the warmongers, who have argued ineffectively against me. We thus remain divided.
What happened was the discussion became suddenly very personal, with those in favour of war becoming abusive. I always feel this is the last refuge of the total loser, but could not say so without appearing abusive.
This tells me that discussion will never change political zeal. This is odd, because my own politics are altering, moving as I get older towards the left, rather than, as seems traditional with my "social and background grouping" in the UK towards the right.
So I appreciate your thoughts in keeping the invasion of a sovereign state off here,and yet I regret it. Provided we can put put views impersonally, however passionately, I feel it is a topic that affects us all and may be discussed. But not debated. There wil leb no winners or losers in a discussion, and a point discussed may change a mind. a point debated with mean "I win you lose" scenarios, and may lead to foot stamping, as we have seen before.
Jingoism has no place here. Rational thought and support does.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Registered: January 1970
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I find it sad that we can't talk about what's happening in our world.....OUR world. The hardest part for me is that I look to the grownups to clarify all the statements being thrown at me from school, media and the adult world.
Be trusting.....but trust no one. That's the lesson I learn when even the people that I look to for answers, here and in my real life, can't discuss something without rancor.
I was too young to even remember Desert Storm. I have to go on what I read, what I hear. I live in the United States. I live in the deep south. I just want to get along with everyone...a very naive, foolish dream from a sheltered child it seems.
Kevvy, I understand.......you have your dreams. Ease back and listen if you can. I keep being told I'll understand when I'm older, that there is no black and white to any of this, just gray......but gray is such a defeating, dismal color.
smith
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And thank you JAMS.
I want to listen JAMS, that is why I started the discussion/debate. I want to hear more from the people I care most about. The opinions here whether I agree totally or not are truely valuble (including yours ... don't sell yourself short when it come to how your feel or what you believe. Make yourself heard, and don't be afraid to be wrong sometimes. That is how all of us learn and grow, by living) and I feel I will be better for having listened to each of you.
People here have so much to give each other with our diverse backgrounds, and different stations in life. Take the chance to listen to each other thoughtfully. You may find as I have that you really can learn and grow from those loder OR younger than each of us.
Many of you here are special to me. I just wish you knew how special YOU are, each of you.
Much Love,
Kevin
P.S. Any chance to chat with the Roo Master (and survive the Roo's) is a great day indeed! Miss you all
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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On fire! |
Location: currently So Cal
Registered: May 2002
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Wanting to get along with everyone is not a naive or foolish dream. It may be impossible, but it isn't naive or foolish. It is a goal to strive for, perhaps unattainable, but worthy of our efforts.
Be trusting, but trust no one are words to survive by. But they aren't necessarily words to live by. Survival is sometimes necessary and reducing risk increases the chance for survival, but life happens when you take risks. I survived for a good many years without living. Since I began to take a few risks, I have begun to live.
Sometimes understanding comes with age, other times it is lost. What is often more important than understanding is acceptance. A very wise man once said, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
Think good thoughts,
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Location: currently So Cal
Registered: May 2002
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I'm glad you have found something that you can throw yourself into. It is rare to have such an opportunity. Enjoy it, Kevin and keep us posted.
Think good thoughts,
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"Be trusting, but trust no one." How sad is that?!
We adults do tend to send out mixed signals, don't we? We tell our children they should get along with everybody, while looking for any excuse to be in conflict with our fellow man (be it in a court of law or on a battlefield). No wonder so much of the world (OUR world, indeed!) is in such sad shape!
Despite protestations to the contrary, education in the United States (especially when it comes to history) comes from a decidedly "American" point of view. We are told by many that the only "propaganda" in the United States (or, "the dominiant media culture", as it is euphemistically called) comes from "the left", who control all education and media. Many of those who believe that also believe that the all the U.S. has to do is walk into Iraq, Saddam will cower and lick George Bush's shoes, and then the U.S. will simply take over with no muss or fuss. Those same people will then turn around and call others naive and foolish dreamers for wanting everybody to get along (even as they say the very same thing to their children!).
You are definitely not alone, smith, when it comes to being told, "you'll understand when you're older." I'm sure just about everybody has had that said to them at one time or another during their "formative years". The thing of it is, so many adults themselves just don't understand (although they, of course, like to think they do). So they continue to use that as a valid reason to ignore (indeed, to stifle) the wisdom that people your age are quite capable of, while they go on their merry ignorant way. No wonder you're confused! It's like coming to an intersection with a green light, but there's a policeman there signaling you to stop.
Yes, this world is in sad shape in many ways, but fortunately there are still many (many!) beautiful things in it; and we "old folks" need to stop being so arrogant and start listening when your generation tries to make us aware of our hypocrisy (remember “The Emperor’s New Clothes”?) by pointing out those beautiful things.
As always, thanks for sharing your thoughts, smith (especially on the day after such an important occasion as your 16th birthday). As a literary visionary your age once said, “Stay gold, Ponyboy.”
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
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