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It seems to me that Robert has a point he is making loud and clear. He feels either hate for, or fear of, the heterosexual majority on this planet. Of perhaps he feels something entirely different instead or as well.
It struck me that this could be worth an airing.
Look at the new link of "netiquette" at the head of the board, and let's let the topic start.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I hate the expectation of heterosexuality. I hate the fact that every heterosexual teenager or adult I have ever known has "come out" as heterosexual to me within five minutes of meeting me.
"My wife...." "My kids...." "My girlfriend.... " (if male) etc
I hate the fact that I am afraid to tell a heterosexual perosn that I am not like them. I hate having had to grow up in a world that gave priviliege to heterosexuals and despised homosexuals.
But I do not hate heterosexuals for this.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I can't really say I hate anyone, I have likes and dislikes tho but never because of gender, color, sexual preference (if it's a preference) faith, religion or whatever. I find it rather strange that anyone can hate a person simply because they are female, gay, muslim, black etc etc etc. At the same time I have to admit tho that I am not a stranger to some bias. I don't like that about myself and I always try to correct myself right away. I try to not let other's opinions of people influence me but I do notice it sometimes does happen because I'm very protective of some of my friends. Anyway, hope my English is good enough to understand what you meant by airing *pokes timmy*
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I've always felt that hate is rather a strong word, often overused, and sometimes not taken into proper account for. Having lived much of my life traveling in a military family, I got to see many different sides and aspects of my own culture, and a chance to appreciate the differences and similarities with other cultures.
I didn't always agree with others, and still don't, often with a razor wit and stinging sense of self-righteousness. My wrath, at times, is a difficult burden for others to bear.
But Hate I reserve for special cases, mostly based on an enlightened self interest (high company I place myself in, huh?) and a more positive outlook on reality and the people that populate it. Hate has a special place in my awareness and I take that word very seriously.
For me to Hate an individual or a group, I have to know them, truly expereince them, understand a little about them. Otherwise my reactions are just those of any other ignorant individual who refuses to let thought and emotion combine to direct their own actions. I am not a blind animal. I don't simply react to everything. I have been called reactionary and outspoken at times, but I'm not one to pass judgment without due respect to reason and feeling. I've also been called the "tallest twelve year old I know" by a lot of people, so there's the grain of salt to take all this with.
The things that generate my hate are mostly, and I know this is overused and cliche, but, flat out blanket opinions of things. You know, where no one has any room to move. It's either my way or the highway, or no way at all. That kind of mentality, that boorish, unfeeling, unthinking, unyielding belief that something is the one true and only way has held back women for millennia, minorities for at least 500 years in my own country, has allowed bigotry of all kinds to simply errupt as the norm for centuries.
I hate double standards, the fact (?) that some people are allowed into certain roles while others are looked on with fear and loathing for it.
I hate public deceit, where gossip and innuendo are often regarded as news and the truth is often covered up with money in order to advance a certain view point (Listen Up Mr. President!).
I hate that the criminal justice system in my country is more regulated towards the rights of the prisoners than their victims.
I hate how my religion, which I used to love, has become a mockery of itself over sexual issues that it should have resolved centuries ago. And that hate pains me greatly.
I hate how my voice, while one of many that decries the evils of society, is drowned out in the quote-unquote "moral indignation of the just" because I am a bi male who has engaged in both sides of my sexual identity. I hate that those who supposedly make the rules only allow themselves to break them, and only when it suits their animal passions.
I hate that expressing my sexuality is seen as a hateful thing.
I hate that it will be increasingly impossible for me to raise a child and live how I choose to in my home culture. I hate that someone will think that I would abuse any child, in any way simply because I don't conform to their rigid beliefs, not because I am a moral, responsible and caring person.
In short, I hate ignorance and the rash decisions made from it's shallow well. I hate the lack of free thought, the repression of emotion and most importantly the acceptance of the innately human in all of us. My religion was a joy to me once, now it's almost a crime. My society was once a wonder to me, now I see it in decay. It sickens me immensely to think that we are perpetrating the same crimes upon our own kind. Even the dinosaurs lived better.
Conversely, and I think this needs to be said as well, there is a lot that I love too.
I love that there are people out there raging against the dying of the light. That there are brave souls seeking to kick free of the binds that this society so casually throws on us and scream "Why?"
I love the sight of kids playing in the park, not for any sexual reason, but because they don't know about all that and it doesn't concern them. We teach them to hate. They don't learn it from each other (there's a lesson there).
I love watching young couples in love, the way that the universe seems to drift away and they only have each other to fill their souls with. And I mean all young couples, be they straight, gay, bi, what have you.
I love watching old couples sitting together watching the young people go by, that smile of rememberance on their faces as they stare at each other and smile. It's a sense that love is not just for the throes of passion, but for eternity, and I like that concept.
I love being with my friends, acting up, being the center of the whirlwind and then sharing that center, even letting someone else take the center for a while. I like the fact that there are no boundaries at times, that there is just an acceptance that I am likely to say or do anything and it might be funny or it might make me seem an idiot and that within that circle of friends, it's okay.
I love my family. Love them enough that I can hide aspects of my life from them in order to protect them, and I'm not just talking about being bisexual either. I've done some fairly nasty things in my day. Things that I can't talk about because of certain legal and honor related issues. Unlike a lot of people, I've explored my dark side very fully and having been there once have resolved not to take up that again.
I love my country, although I often dispise and revile (not hate) those who run it, those who don't care about it, and those who only care after some major earthshaking event. I have always been what I call an awakened patriot. I know that history is written by those who win, and I also know that history isn't always truth. But even knowing the darkness in my country's shadow, I still see the bright promise it has as a potential. I mourn for the lost opportunities, but I pray (yes pray) for the future. May we be guided by our hearts and minds.
And Lastly, I love who I am. There was a long time when I did not. Occassionally that self loathing comes across, in more bitter moments. But I have accepted that all the people I have been, all the cruel, kind, angry, joyful, wise, stupid, heartless, emotive, arrogant, and compassionate people I ever was, I still am, blended together. I have accepted that I am Bi, not because I need a label to hang myself on, but because I decided that cutting myself off from half the people I could love was a bad place to start learning to love others. That was a mistake I made in ignorance long ago, and one I hope to fix with the rest of my time in this existance.
Hehehehe, I'm rambling on again. Must have struck a chord in me with this line, Timmy.
So that's that, the truth. Take it with or without the proffered grain of salt. That grain can either be a pain in the wound, or a preservative to help heal it, or just another flavor to add to your life; you decide. Just don't let hate rule you. I've been down that road, and it only makes those who have blocked our paths that much stronger. Let hate be for what is wrong, not at the people who refuse to recognize what is wrong.
Besides, if we all thought and acted the same, this would be a pretty damn boring world after all, now wouldn't it. I prefer to find delight in infinite possibility and the wonder of what magic still resides within us all.
Peace, my friends. And may we all be guided by our hearts and minds.
It's not the wolf you see you should fear, but all the ones he howls with. Don't be afraid of the song, but don't piss off the choir.
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At long last--a breath,NO,A GALE of freash air.I just knew that I had a soulmate on this board.Someone that has the fortitude to speak out.And by GOD did he ever.What a soul refreshing post.Encompassed within that mans post are all my hopes and dreams,wrapped with my convictions.But enough of this.I would come to destroy and bury forever the FEMALE SEX GOD,and those that would promote such worship. rob
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timmy
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Reproduction is tough without them. The boy of your dreams would not exist without one
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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not one goddamn word was said in my last post about killing off girls.Just the stupid worship of them. rob
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timmy
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It's people I like. Not girls or guys. I don't much want to make love to a lady, but I don't worship them, nor guys.
Many girls make better friends than guys, too.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I concede your point Timmy but YOU do make the bestest friend.Guys are the best!Thanx for putting up with my funning the ladies. rob
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Then science sure has its work cut out to do.hehehe
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I love my friends. I hate people who are ditzy (girls and guys included).
I hate people hwo think they are exempt from the rules of society becuase they are jocks or whatever.
I hate people who cheat on work constantly instead of working hard like the rest of us.
I love my fish. I love my religion. I love Music. I love Dance.
I hate people making fun of other people.
I hate being afraid of everything.
I love the earth. I hate the destruction of the earth. I love the mountains. I hate quarries (ya know the palces that rip down the mountain).
I hate people who feel they own the world. I hate people who insist on corrupting children with hate, bigotry, missunderstanding, false informtion.
I love my friends
Peace and Trees
~Andy
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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One comment in particular caught my attention, since in a way I think it ties in with something I've said here before (on more than one occasion; but like "nettiquette", I feel it's something we occasionally lose sight of and need to remind ourselves about).
There is nothing wrong with "being 12 years old", no matter how old (or how tall!) you actually are. How often have the younger participants on this forum shown us (and continue to show us) what it truly means to be "mature" and "adult" (and, yes, "human"); would that the rest of us put aside any "know-it-all" notions we may have and actually allow ourselves to learn and benefit from their great wisdom! I feel I do, every time I read one of their postings; and I am always most grateful for it.
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
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This is quote i heard just a few months ago, it really caught my eye and i don't think i would ever forget it.
"HATE is not the opposite of love but ignorance"
Just think about it, we feel we hate because many times, i mean i have done it myselft, we don't take the time to listen, get to know, let explain, and even try to understand somebody.
When i say that i hate something, really what i'm showing is my ignorance towards that person or whatever you feel hate for.
When heteros say they hate gays, what they are really saying is that they have not taken the time to get to know us, they show their ignorance. I know it might not be thier fault since society (most of the time) influence us in who we are.
Lets not be like them and not show our ignorance. Instead, it's better to be understanding.
I personally don't like the word "Hate". I want to take it out of my vocabulary. Of course that is just me. If you agree with me welcome to the group, if you don't i'll be happy to listen to your point of view.
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Firstly, I do not hate individuals, I have tried never to hate any individual. I feel contempt, dislike and other emotions, but I don't think that looking back I'd use the word hate on any occasion, even though, at the time, I called it hate.
I do not hate groups of people, I sometimes judge or discriminate against certain groups, but I try not to use that a means of judging individual character. Individuals always merit a chance to prove their value to me, but whole groups often are riddled with prejudices and at times as a result I make comments against the entire group.
What I hate is attitudes and situations, so with that I will begin my list of why I don't feel comfortable in a hetero dominant society.
-I hate stereotypes.
-I hate the fact that people are judged according to stereotypes.
-I hate that one's sexual needs to be decided upon, instead of being open ended.
-I hate that heterosexuality is considered "default" and other sexualities are considered "alternate"
-I hate that my straight friends don't need to justify their relationships to half the people they come in contact with.
-I hate it when people claim to be open minded but are just hypocrites. I particularly hate it when people belonging to one minority group discriminate against another minority.
-I hate the mainstream. I want to live as I want to live, I don't care if what I do is popular or not.
-I hate the fact that people get stuck in situations that they have no way of changing. I hate it that people can't achieve their dreams.
-I hate the power money has over people. I hate the fact that the majority of the population hate their jobs.
-I hate that my best friends, my internet friends must stay internet friends because of distance constraints
-I hate hate itself. I hate people that hate other people. I hate prejudice, I hate unnecessary discrimination.
-I hate the fact that people are selfish, I hate that people will hurt another to help themselves.
-I hate the fact that things can't just be perfect.
(Sorry, I got a little off topic, but this topic is good for venting)
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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I was just going through these to see if i could do a little hating right now. right now i only have one hate. MYSELF.
To love oneself is the beginning of a life-long romance.
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You all have done good.The whole purpose of my rant was to get you guys to think and all jump on your keyboards.The responses were more than I expected.It would seem that the general consensus is that HATE IS A WASTE OF TIME.I agree.This very angry young man doesnt hate hetros or girls,but I would like to send them all to Mars or some place very cold.I thank you all for putting up with my humor...rob
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would you share with us the reasons why you hate yourself. rob
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I like that.......Hate is the opposite of ignorance..and I have to add fear.
The opposite of love, it seems like, would be sadness or emptiness.
Gandhi said: "YOU must be the change you wish to see in the world." And he's right. Religion, race, sexual preference are not things to hate about. They make us unique. Fear and ignorance make closed minded people "hate".
I have lots of dislikes and lots of things that make me sad. I do have to admit though, I really 'hate' turnips.
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*giggles* darlin without hetro's and girls (and this is just a thought that hits me at 7 in the morning so forgive me if I'm not thinking straight yet) wouldn't the gay population be gone in one generation? Damn I'd hate to be the last gay man left on earth.
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But were we the last generation, I mean all of us that are about now, It'd be one hell of a way to go out. Instead of fighting for equal rights for ourselves, I can almost see us pouring that energy into other cuases. Noble causes. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but if it were me, and my life marked the end of an entire culture, an entire essence of life, then I'd want to go out with one wicked bang, making sure that those left behind will wonder what went wrong, forcing them to question who was right, making people think before they lash out, feel before they react and more importantly empathize.
I guess when it gets down to it, we are all people, and for that, we're all the same. Many of you don't share my likes and dislikes (for example, I'm no where near a Back Street Boys fan), and that's cool too. But we are all in this together So let's stop being fractional and worry about all of us, and not just those most like us. That kind of thinking eventually leads down the road to Hitler and Hussein (kinda of at the extreme end, to be sure, but.....).
It's not the wolf you see you should fear, but all the ones he howls with. Don't be afraid of the song, but don't piss off the choir.
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