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I hate having posts given a time limit on their pertinance.
A thread should remain active as long as there is interest....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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And you think I don't know that?
Jeez. When we created it there was no choice except to stick with the crap and hackable voy.com. So we worlked for 3 weeks to create the thing. And it works very well for a crap piece of software forced into action and hacked to make it run at all. We deisgned the layout to be as user friendly as we could, locked out attempts to break it with java applets, embedded sound files and all other crap.
We worked on it hard. I mean hard. and it is "good enough".
Over the past many months we've been trhough total crap with blue domino as a host and last week lost ALL email between 11 june and the following monday.
Right now I feel entitled to throw my toys out of my pram when I get comments like that.
Yes. It sucks. I know it sucks. We have LOADS to do over the next month before we can even think of altering it. And no, only megaman and I will do it, though I thank others for the offer of help in advance. Two people with the site admin password is quite sufficient, thanks.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I thought that's exactly the way this message board has always worked (and has always worked extremely well).
When you post a reply to anything, that whole thread gets moved to the top of the board (depending on your browser, you may have to push "refresh" to see that it has happened when you go back to the board after posting something). Therefore, the board constantly "updates" itself as to "timeliness" and "pertinance" with each and every posting (that's the way I've always seen it, anyway).
I don't think we can congratulate and thank Timmy and Macrule enough for their exemplary efforts in maintaining this board; that, of course, doesn't mean that we shouldn't bother to do so! Therefore, I offer an all-too-lame but most sincere "Thank you, gentlemen!"
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
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I still love ya Timmy even though you cut off our daily dose of stories.The withdrawal pains are intense..Hey btw do you remember Gordon,the guy that was stealing your site--He is looking for a lover and you should read his three page demand of requirements.Its a good laugh.Please feel free to inform him that the horse is still laughing at him....rob
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I'll second that - thanks so much for your time and efforts, guys. We use and abuse this place while you maintain it, and we really appreciate it.
Ron - The one minor "bug" is that once a post goes to page 2, it can never come back up to the top of page one, even if you reply to it. Oh well - life is full of compromise.
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I have mentioned this to you before timmy and I do respect your wishes, but there is such superior free message board technology out there with the freedom to customise and set it up as you wish. Inivision Board, PHPBB to name a few. Also, in regards to hosting, I'm not sure what your current space, bandwidth usage and budget requirements are, but http://www.venturesonline.com is what a friend of mine uses, and they have served him well thus far, with 99% uptime, no problems with databases, email or anything else of the sort...
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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marc
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Throw your toys......
It doesnt make relevent threads last the longer.....
There are several free, customizable message boards out there with a plethora of good features and they are easy to set up as well.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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THIS IS TIMMYS BOARD AND I THINK HE NEEDS OUR SUPPORT-NOT CRITICISM.......r
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timmy
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You know that really grates.
Why be antagonistic? Why? You never had to start this, and you seem to have done it in order to piss me off.
TIME is the issue here. I don't have any. And we are about to move away from this web host, which will take more time. And THEN, we can sort it out.
I am not going to take time with any of the other messagebaord formats before the move. It just isn't going to happen.
Now give up this unpleasant behaviour.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I have truly had enough of so called experts telling me what I should and should not do. Read my post noting Marc's comments.
TIME is the issue.
Now, you do not "have to agree" with someone else, who is also being very rude. Instead you chose to and thereby took on the mantle of rudeness yourself.
Decent behaviour is required here. By everyone.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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This website is just that.... a web site.... like thousands of others....
Some work... some don't...
It is better to know where than not know.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Do you think I do not know? Do you really think I am satisfied with it the way it has had to be?
This thread does not make me interested in changing it any earlier. All it does is displays rudeness.
Give this behaviour up.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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But there again.... it isn't what bothers people that matters here...
it is who is bothered....
Be a 14 year old kid and everyone seems to lean in to hear better....
If not..... well then you are... "rude"
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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I don't care if you are 14, 40, or whhatever age. "This MB (format) sukzzzzz......." is rude.
If I said "The Gay Writer's Guild sucks" that is as rude. Or "your cooking sucks". I find it rude. ergo it is rude.
And justifying rudeness is simply driving the message home.
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It is light blue like the sky, on a pink background. Nice and friendly colors.
When I post, it says thank you.
It is the place of safety I stumbled into almost a year and a half ago, and I am in no hurry to see it change. 
Sure, it's got a few quirks here and there. The threads getting bumped after a while is one of them, but we can live with that. Also, if it didn't force-bump threads after a while the first page would eventually consist of nothing but one or two giant threads. Would make things annoying and difficult for everyone.
Only thing about this board I do not like is the "incorrect password" screen, it is so red and horrible, like it's accusing me of deliberate wrongdoing. Could you please make it more friendly, it would still serve the same purpose, and I wouldn't have to get scared every time I put in the wrong password or mistype and it screams at me in return... 
HUGS:
-L
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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marc
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If it didn't there would not be so many clones of it....
So what's your point....
In the time you have been ranting and raving.... You could habe installed and configured a system that works....
Time may be the issue here.... But time well spent would probably serve better....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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saben
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If I didn't think the message board content outweighed the format I wouldn't be staying here, however that still doesn't mean I don't feel there is room for improvement.
From my experience most of the work in migrating from one webhost to another is done by them, just a bit of backing needs to be done on the consumer end. If I were in your position, I'd back everything up, contact the old webhost, cancel, contact the new webhost I was interested in and in the meantime while the transfer took place I'd be looking at other ways to improve the site when the time comes for the transfer to actually take place. Provided resources and time allow you could easily upload some new forums and try them out while everything else is negotiated.
Until a commitment is made to change the software used, however I will still continue to have issue with the current software. I do not mean to belittle your time constraints, nor the effort that was invested when these message boards first opened. I don't mean to quarrel, I was merely expressing that I seconded the opinion that sometime in the future it would be beneficial to change the message board software.
It is your site to run as you wish, obviously, but we as members of a community have the right to express our concerns and you as the owner of the community have the right to acknowledge or ignore them. But whatever, arguing isn't worth the effort, so regardless, this will be my last post in this topic...
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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it takes AGES to get thinsg right. And, just to be very clear, we are about to move web host. Everything is frozen right now in terms of development.
As for installing a new board, we also want to retain all old posts. We did this when we moved from voy.
And I do not jump when someone aims rudeness at me. We change things in OUR time when WE are ready using OUR plans, and the facilities that WE choose. And frankly we configure them properly, with testing.
When we implemented this board we had a week of testing before we allowed it to go live. Getting people to try to break it. We fixed everything about it that was fixable. It is stable, with defects.
Now give up this unpleasantness.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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JUST BE THANKFUL THAT TIMMY DOESNT PUT MARCS FACE ON THAT ERROR MESSAGE sorry,i had my caps on...hugs lenny-your one of the best....hugs rob
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timmy
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Your experience is limited and you have no understanding nor knowledge of the complexities of this web site. You see simple HTML pages. Behind this is a complex engine that requires permissions to be set, plus administrator level acess to apache and the UNIX shell.
A migration is a complex issue. This is not like moving a one page HTML site to tripod
Your supposed solution also provides for considerable site downtime. We will have to suffer 48 jhours anyway when the DNS synchronises worldwide. You might also realise that we have real lives too. Other things to do.
I do not care that anyone has an issue with the software. We have taken great pains to provide a working environment, even with a few defects. There will always be better software, or a favourite system. And there will always be armchair experts waiting to jump in with opinions.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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hey buddy,you dont want to be accused of sounding like robert do ya--lighten up on timmy--you see,he made the mistake of turning those people into frogs like he did me,so you can expect them frogs to hop a lot on the keyboards.just give timmy time--lots of it--and he will break the spell....rob...hugs and more hugs....
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timmy
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Sorry about the red. But then it IS an error message
All development changes are frozen. Simple HTML updates will take place though.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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No Message Body
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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THAT is why we are moving away.
And "packing one's bags and leaving" before the expiry of a paid for contract is an act of lunacy.
In mid July we will be entirely self sufficient, on a virtual server, without any problems except hardware uptime.
And you have no understanding of what is behind our site. That is because it is invisible to you, and proteced. You may have an idea, but not an understanding.
If you also had an understanding of what is involved in migrating a complex site from server to server you would not have suggested your simplistic scheme. It involves closing down dynamic areas cleanly and opening them cleanly. Much more complex than taking a simple backup and losing thikngs.
Then we have to migrate email, with the dangers of loss during the DNS synchronisation period.
We have to check and recheck permissions, both to prevent hacking and to ensure that software runs.
And we have to get it right first time. Some things cannto be tested prior to DNS synch, they HAVE to be on a live system. In the midst of this, no-one is going to investigate software, especially "everyone's favourite", whose website is down at present.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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when you upgrade or something,i dont understand,will you be able to deleat that fake that stole your web name(porno site)..btw i hope things go well...rob
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timmy
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It's quite a compliment, really. They see us as a large traffic site and they decided to "clone" the domain name. Ah well.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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He isn't able to do that, all that person did was buy a name that was up for sale that was similar to his own website name. Unfortunately copyright doesn't extend over website names, what the other person did was similar to opening a health food store called "McDougals" in a hope to steal business from the fast food chain...
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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timmy
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"That thread of Garretts shoudl really have been able to stay on the front page. May I suggest an improvement for next time you redevelop part of your site?"
That would have been nice, gentle, helpful, and stroked me. Any pleasant method would have worked. In fact we have loathed the software since we implemented it, but it was then the only stable piece of software for the facilities offered by Blue Domino at the time.
Since then BD has moved on. But we had other things to do, especially since the BD environment has not been fun recently.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I apologize that my remarks offended, that wasn't their intent as I've tried to communicate. I know webhosts can be real annoyances, Blue Domino really looks like it fits that description... I have learnt from experience of my own and my friends that any company offering unlimited bandwidth can't be trusted to provide the service they claim to provide... What host does your current research point you towards?
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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I've seen it happen with other sites before, usually ones run by optimistic young kids instead of adults, of course. Regardless, though, having Marc storm off angrily having things his own way wouldn't really solve the problem at all.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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marc is just being marc.he is really a good friend and has helped me a lot. marc is just pissed because timmy turned him into a frog and its real hard to unbunch his panties with webbed fingers.sometimes its real easy to get tne panties in a bunch,so many opinions ect,but we seem to work things out..rob
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Most of the people who come here are just happy to have a place to talk. All of this criticism of the way Tim runs his message board should have been done through e-mails.
All this "you should do it this way, you should do it that way" and 'wadded up underwear' is kind of ummm...childish. You tell someone something they do FOR you sucks and imagine that.....they get pissed.
Actually, Garrett started a new thread and any thoughts you wish to convey to him concerning the old thread can be typed there...........The old thread was totally too long and cumbersome as it was.....
16 and waiting for the grownups to play nice...
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thanks buddy.btw have you checked your panties today...hehehe
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timmy
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I could invoke laws about "passing off", but frankly it isn't worth it. It woudl take a legal budget, and I really don't care that much
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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The things some of us might not like, or get annoyed over, should be really insignificant in comparison to the things we DO like.
Things, like the friends we have here, old and new. The help and advice, the humor, or the companionship.
I've met people here unlike any other in real life. People that are so nice and friendly. I just wish I knew more people like David or Trevor or e or [list goes on] in real life. People that are just plain nice without being judgemental, that don't talk behind your back, and that like to hug another friend.
-L
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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timmy
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What it would create is another space for people to find friends. One can never have too many friends.
Marc would run it well, of that I am convinced, and people would find safety there, too.
It takes about 6 months for a sense of community to build, however. During that time it is a little like the sound of one hand clapping
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I have read this thread with a kind of bemusement. What difference really do a few technical glitches make? I have always thought such things were mostly the product of my ancient computer, anyhow.
Yes, Marc, I think it has been rude of you to push beyond simply pointing out what could be improved and then leaving it at that. And that could have been dne in an email.
Of course Tim takes it personally!
Imagine this MB as an extension of Tim's home. We're all invited guests. We are generously received and made to feel welcome.
In such a situation, would anybody point out that some of the furniture is old, or that some of the snacks might have gone stale?
I think not.
I like it well enough to spend part of each day here with friends. That's enough for me, really.
(PS, Hi, Lenny...answer percolating still...never fear...I'm a bit pre-occupied right now!)
"Always forgive your enemies...nothing annoys them quite so much." Oscar Wilde
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Is why I always read and rarely post...seems some people just don't know how to play nice at all.
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timmy
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Nice to see you each time you break your silence.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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No. Instead you CHOOSE to 
I am not interested any more. 
hey timmy 
Re: Actually..this entire tirade sukzzzzzzzz 
