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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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I have had a policy for a while where I don't discriminate or insult individuals but I will insult or judge a specific group or label. Labels don't actually mean a whole lot so by insult a label really I feel I'm insulting nothingness. I know when someone insults a label that we associate with ourselves we have a tendancy to take it personally, so if someone were to throw insults at a bunch of labels, all of which we associated with ourselves it does have the potential to hurt even when it isn't meant.
Personally while the nature of certain groups can irk me, I never judge an individual based on them belonging to a certain group. Personally I don't like the way gay guys behave, but I think I can say that most of the people here lack those traits that I consider defining characteristics of the "gay" label and even if someone were to behave in a stereotypically gay way, I wouldn't judge them for that, unless of course the behaviour has a negative impact on me.
I insult stereotypes, stereotypes that in reality probably don't exist and that in reality definately don't apply to each and every case. I have a thing against "Southern Baptists" for one, but does that mean I don't like smith and his family? Of course not, I think smith is a wonderful young man and obviously must have a wonderful family too. I think that gay guys that dance are silly for perpuating stereotypes, yet I love Andy as one of the best friends I've made through this message board, I didn't end a friendship with such a great guy even though he fit the label and characteristics of a group I didn't like.
I'm not sure what I'm getting at here, just sort of rambling and perhaps hoping for a response. But discrimination is how humans and animals look out for their own, their family's and their species' interests. If there was no discrimination at all, then we would eat cow, either that or we'd kill humans to produce feed for animals. If there was no discrimination we wouldn't have family bonds that hold us close together, we wouldn't have countries and we wouldn't even be able to have a functional democratic society as no-one would be able to make a choice between all the candidates!
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Registered: March 2012
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Please feel free to go to the super-market and purchace two bananas.stick one in ya mouth and the other uppauassa---then switch every so often.I have never met a person that shits thru his mouth.you are very good at that.Your venom is destructive to this forum and unless Timmy jumps on me,I will make it a point to showboat your lack of charactor.You sir are our enemy--you would seek to destroy whatever friendship s there are on this forum....You sir are a bully and this MAN will make it his business to discredit you at every chance.And if you dont like it,Kiss My ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!robert bryce
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trevor
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Registered: November 2002
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Maybe you mean "catagorize" rather than "discriminate" in the prejudiced way? Yes, I think we do group things in our minds for simplicity.
The problem with many stereotypes is they emphasize the negative and are also often just plain wrong. I'll bet less than half the gay guys are effeminate, limp-wristed, or talk in falsetto (or whatever you want to call it) for example. Fat people aren't particularly lazy. Black people don't all love watermelon and greasy food.
Another problem is by using stereotypes, we do tend to purpetuate them. We have more influence on those around us than we realize - others repeat what we say and believe much of it.
So, it's probably more productive, and accurate, to say you don't like lazy people, you aren't attracted to effeminate boys, you disagree with ultra-conservative Christians, etc.
It's so easy to hurt people with words. Kids today are using "gay" the way they used "geek", "faggot", "loser" when I was in school. It "means" bad or abnormal now. Problem is, truly gay kids start to believe it and feel it.
I understand that gay teen males have the highest suicide rate of any identifiable group in the US. That's really sad considering that teens often have many freedoms, abilities, and resources compared to their responsibilities - it should be learning and experiencing joyful time of their lives.
So, even if you are joking or are truly accurate, WHY do you need to insult? Some people insult others to inflate their own egos. Maybe you don't intend to insult though, your thoughts or words are just negative?
If you say something insulting in a group, it's likely that you'll insult someone. Of course there are things like orientation and politics and religion that may not be obvious, but also race and even gender is not always as obvious as one might think.
I'm just rambling, too. I really appreciate your willingness to put your thoughts into words, and give us the opportunity to think about it more and understand each other a bit better.
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Be a little less harsh dude. You might not like what he says, but repect his right to say it.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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I think I understand this. He is basically trying to say he is making fun of the stereotype not the actually people. Correct me if I am wrong please shem. But I think I can see that, becuase I fit the gay steriotype well, and Shem always makes fun of that. But he loves me so yeah its not that he hates people like that but that he hates the steriotypes people place on each other.
I have a friend like that. He is always makign fun of Christians but he is one himself. It''s not that he thinks christians are bad or anything... It is just that he thinks that the steriotype of a bible thumping goody two shoes is funny. I don't believe he was trying to be hateful with it Rob so lay off ok.
Peace and Trees
~Andy
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Registered: March 2012
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young man,take a hard look at sabens posted words..to a new person these words are hate filled at the very least.these words scare the daylights out of me as they give insight to the mans charactor...This venumious post is the reason newcommers are frightened away,why I cannot understand his peers not condemning such a post.YOUNG ANDY GROW A SPINE.un-nice bullys hurt other people and should be censered!!!!!!!rob
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Guest
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Registered: March 2012
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if the hate topics were to stop,you would not hear a sound from me....rob
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old man, i am looking at his post. I do not see any of the venom or hate you speak of. The silent lurkers should be thankful he made that post. Shems post shows that he is NOT hatefilled. Instead it shows that he loves the people and merely hates the steriotypes. Your cruel and harshly worded posts are more painful then shem trying to explain his actions to the world... You are so quick to condone other people and censor other people. Why not censor yourself first.
Peace and Trees
~Andy
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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It is easy to differentiate between the stereotype and the person being stereotypical when you are the one making fun of them.
But when you are the one being harrassed you are one in the same....
Thus, harrassing one is harrassing both....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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As usual, there is much wisdom in what you say, Trevor. Ramble on!
We do not remember days...we remember moments.
Cesare Pavese
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Re: Discriminating against groups 
damn robert! 
Re: I think I understand. 
