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icon7.gif Did WAM know our JJW? A conceit, with love  [message #12672] Thu, 24 July 2003 04:06 Go to next message
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Non piu andrai, farfallone amoroso,
notte e giorno d'intorno girando,
de gli belli turbando il riposo,
Narcisetto, Adoncino d'amor.

Non piu avrai questi bei pennacchini,
quel cappelo leggiero e galante,
quella chioma, quell'aria brillante,
quel vermiglio donnesco color...
you're gonna HAVE to translate it  [message #12679 is a reply to message #12672] Thu, 24 July 2003 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Otherwise I shall think of George Michael and the other one from Wham!



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icon7.gif Re: you're gonna HAVE to translate it  [message #12680 is a reply to message #12679] Thu, 24 July 2003 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK. I shall translate if ANYONE posts who WAM was and the source of the quotation. There ARE people on this MB who can do it!

Midsummer madness. I shall return to my normal level of insanity soon... Smile

Since JJW is at the beach anyway there is no hurry... [wicked grin]

A prize will be awarded to the first to post everything correctly: one hour online with Rob and Marc in the same chat room. Smile! You're on Candid Camera!
Re: you're gonna HAVE to translate it  [message #12681 is a reply to message #12680] Thu, 24 July 2003 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://www.easysheetmusic.com/downloads/opera/mozart_figaro.pdf



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This is not a translation, so it does not qualify ;)  [message #12682 is a reply to message #12681] Thu, 24 July 2003 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"OK. I shall translate if ANYONE posts who WAM was and the source of the quotation. There ARE people on this MB who can do it!"

Been there, done that Smile



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Re: you're gonna HAVE to translate it  [message #12684 is a reply to message #12680] Thu, 24 July 2003 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what kind of food is being served.my taste is 5 star of course-rob
icon12.gif Re: Did WAM know our JJW? A conceit, with love  [message #12685 is a reply to message #12672] Thu, 24 July 2003 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mais qui est JJW?

Time to throw off the role of the lover;
Play no longer the fair young enchanter.
March away from the pastime and banter
Of the darling, the court cavalier.

Feast no more on a diet of dainties;
Leave behind masquerades and cotillions,
Conversation of sparkle and brilliance,
As you head for a soldier's career.

Say goodby e to fair complexion.
Pretty phrases, soft affection,
And secret embraces.....

Into battle goes the dandy,
Sword at side and pistol handy,
Beard unshaven, pack on shoulder,
Weather freezing, getting colder;
New fiasco by the minute
Leather purse but nothing in it.

Little need for velvet breeches
In the swamps and frozen ditches;
Ice and sweat upon your forehead;
Toil abundant, diet frugal,
Blare of trumpet, call of bugle.
Round your head the bullets whistle
As you plod through thorn and thistle
Toward the enemy frontier.

Say goodbye to silk and satin,
Sparkling wine, foods that fatten,
Dainty hands, smiling faces.
Tender words and secret embraces......
Mozart Marriage of Figaro  [message #12686 is a reply to message #12680] Thu, 24 July 2003 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icon12.gif Re: Did WAM know our JJW? A conceit, with love  [message #12695 is a reply to message #12672] Thu, 24 July 2003 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Timmy did identify it, but he's being coy.

It's Figaro's aria from the end of Act 1 of the opera "The Marriage of Figaro" by (W)olfgang (A)madeus (M)ozart. In order to get Cherubino (a 17 year old boy, sung by a female mezzo-soprano, who falls in love with anything wearing a skirt) out of his palace and away from his wife, the jealous Count Almaviva gives Cherubino an officer's commision in his army. In this aria, Figaro teases the "amorous butterfly", sending him on to military glory. Cherubino never does leave, by the way.

Close enough, Neph?

And as for WAM knowing JJW (in some cosmic sort of way), it wouldn't surprise me in the least.



We do not remember days...we remember moments.

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icon12.gif Re: Did WAM know our JJW? A conceit, with love  [message #12696 is a reply to message #12685] Fri, 25 July 2003 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, these "singable" translations!



We do not remember days...we remember moments.

Cesare Pavese
icon4.gif Close enough? Nope!  [message #12699 is a reply to message #12695] Fri, 25 July 2003 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because your account misses the gender changes that I made Wink



Timmy asked for a translation: here is mine (with apologies to Piave and much love to JJW) -




No more shall you go, you lovable scamp, cavorting night and day, turning the heads of the cute guys, you little Narcissus, you little lovable Adonis...



Any one of the respondents who wishes to claim the prize is welcome to do so... Wink

icon6.gif Re: Close enough? Nope!  [message #12700 is a reply to message #12699] Fri, 25 July 2003 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You sneak! [Smile] Yes, I did miss that. Your Cherubino is either gay or bi (remember, "belli" can be construed as "cute guys", but it can also mean "cute people" of both genders together); that coupled with the usual "gender-bending" encountered in casting the role.

Was that apology to Piave a intentional mistake? Everybody knows (!) that Francesco Maria Piave was Verdi's librettist for "Rigoletto" and "La Traviata"; and that Lorenzo da Ponte was Mozart's librettist for "The Marriage of Figaro" (and "Don Giovanni", and "Cosi` fan tutte").

And one more grammatical observation: in Italian, the plural article "gli" is only used before plural masculine nouns beginning with the letter "z" or with the letter "s" followed by another consonant (further, the preposition and the article would be combined into one word, in this case "degli"); in this case, the preposition modifies "belli" (so the phrase would be "dei belli"). Was that intentional, too?

Anyway, in spite of all that: much more love to JJW!

To quote the title of one of Timmy's stories: Nice try, Neph! [Wink]

I don't know if I'm still qualified to win it, but I'm curious: what's the prize?



We do not remember days...we remember moments.

Cesare Pavese
Yep it's da Ponte, yep it's "dei belli". Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!  [message #12704 is a reply to message #12700] Fri, 25 July 2003 04:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icon6.gif Jeez! I go away for a few days and........  [message #12799 is a reply to message #12672] Sun, 27 July 2003 12:49 Go to previous message
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come back to find out I'm a scampering, cavorting, narcissistic, fluttering little butterfly.

>>>giggle<<< In church this morning, when they ask who has testimony (which, but the way is SO lame) I guess I'll have to stand up in my pink tights and gossamer wings and confess that I'm a little butterfly at which point all Hell will break loose, a HUGE shoe will come down and squish me.

I think I'll go with the Adonicino d'amor. That is much more um......cool than the guy lookin' at himself in the water kissing himself...wheeeeee !!

James Jarod ~ macho studmuffin if you please Smile
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