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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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It stands to reason that it must be.
When I grew up we didn't have it, though it kind of existed as the US DoD thing. And moral standards were so much better. We didn't cheek our parents, didn;t stay up all night chatting to friends and were most definitely not gay.
Today so many kids are able to say they are gay, or are at least able to talk about the orientation thinsg that bother them.
I know for sure that I would never have uttered the words "I am a gay man" without the internet
That is pretty much down to "the internet generation". This means that society's morals have been corrupted by the internet. So let's ban it!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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no need to ban the net...I myself think I would be lost without it! Kids may stay up and chat at all hours of the night but at least they are at home and not out causing trouble. As far as moral standards, the net may play a part of it but I don't think it is the source "times have changed" morally things weren't the same when our parents were kids or even when our grandparents were kids...progress, that's what changes all of this. Without progress we would be stuck in a rut of the same old same old it gives us the option to look forward to new, bigger, better things in life.
From personal experience I know that the net does cause problems at my house because if i am at home I want to be online. My mom gets so mad because that is where I spend a majority of my free time and even time that I should be doing other things such as school work. I don't care because it is here (online) that I feel important and cared about, not that I don't at home but this is so much more important to me.
"To the world you may be but one person, but to one person you may be the world!"
"Some people love you and some hate you.. those who hate don't know what they're missing and they're missing out!"
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Knew who they were.... Stood their ground and refused to buckle under....
People are gay with or without the internet. All the internet does is provide a method of communication. The internet doesn't provide input into ideas formulated by users, other users do.
You say thet you could "never have uttered the words", but what if you and I did meet in Birmingham? What would have happened if you had just one solid friend that was supportive and compassionate about your predicament? What if that one friend was openly and happily gay?
Would you have needed the internet to proclaim who you are?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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smith
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Registered: January 1970
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I took his post to mean that anything that "corrupts society's morals" should be banned as a slam against the people who actually want to go back to the way it used to be where silence prevailed and kids just suffered with no one to talk to.
There could be a really happy gay couple living in my town but I still wouldn't go to their house and say, "You look so happy. Can I talk yo you? I'm gay." The only way so many kids can get answers is anonymously through the internet. I did. I still am. In many ways I have 2 totally separate lives, RL and IL. I am happier here because I get answers and I'm not afraid to ask and people seem to accept what I always felt was wrong and different about me. I'm part of the Internet Generation. It's just part of my life.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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What indeed?
Er the original post was ironic 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Oh my.....
and I know it was.....
I was dreaming about a cute blonde usher of long ago.....
LOL
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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But, by living two separate lives, are you not setting yourself up for a pattern that will follow you throughout your life?
Sometimes it is easier to live as others expect you to live.
But who is it easier for? You or them?
Oh, and smith, I do like you you know... Truely
Marc
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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trevor
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Registered: November 2002
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"...are you not setting yourself up for a pattern that will follow you throughout your life?"
I see your point, but I think this depends on your situation and to what degree you feel it's safe to be out.
In my case my wife would probably leave me, take the kids, and garnish my wages. And, to a degree, part of it IS for the rest of my life, but has also changed my R/L so I AM slowly coming out to others and it will be easier/more appropriate to do so more freely after my kids know. Yes, easier for them, but, like smith and his parents, I love them and care for them and they are my life - my orientation is relatively irrelevant.
If you aren't dependant on your parents, aren't especially close to your family, are actively pursuing sex, a lifestyle and/or a boyfriend, your priorities might be different.
There is a time for everything and each must do what's best for himself/herself.
I know some DO lead two separate lives when there doesn't seem to be much cause - some have been hurt or abused and gone into hiding because it's all they can do.
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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With the internet comes knowledge, with knowledge comes loss of innocence.
With the internet comes support from others, with support comes a lack of independence.
With the internet comes a place of safety (not just here, but in general), with a place of safety comes the ability to hide in that place.
With the internet comes addiction.
With the internet comes uncensored material.
With the internet comes friendship to those who otherwise might not have it.
With the internet comes fun.
With the internet comes anonymity, for better or worse.
With the internet comes the inability to judge based on appearance, again for better or worse.
There are many positives and negatives to the internet, I don't think it can really be classified as a force for good or for evil, it has great potential for both. I've gone a little off topic here, sorry, and this isn't meant as tinder for starting anything. It is just some thoughts that went through my head that I thought could be shared.
-Shem
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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That aspect of any sensible person's makeup is paramount.
I have questions but I think they should be left unasked.
I have been out since I was 14, that was in the '60's....
I know all the explatives, all the looks, all the attitudes, all the dirty tricks played by classmates that comes with being 14 years old and gay and with everyone knowing all about it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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