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smith
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Registered: January 1970
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Several comments have been made at my expense and the expense of anyone under the age of 18 who visits this MB.
**** **** young persons
Perhaps not understood by the younger readers
take him aside and explain metaphoric examples
WE DESERVE IT
visit concentration camps so I understand war
A metaphor is comparing one thing to another through the use of analogies. I know what it means. High school is war. Being gay is the Mad Hatter's Tea Party. Being 16 is the third level of hell.
I have never screamed I DESERVE anything, especially the things in my life that were worse than any war I would fight in.
I have never flamed anyone and it takes alot to push me. I'm sorry you felt the need to do so. I had some relevant points to make in answer to Steve's post about values. I'm sorry they will be lost. But, being a kid, I have to assume that they are worthless anyway. I repeat that the most important value to me is respect.........for a person's thoughts, ideas, empathy and caring no matter their age.
No one died defending my right to flame; they died defending my right to say what I'm saying right now. I know it...I respect it.
JJW
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I don't understand why you need to slam yourself so often simply because you're young. There's enough people out there thinking young people's opinions are less important without you joining their cause.
Please, stop, okay? 
We need your thoughts and ideas... I need them.
Hugs for you, JJ:
-L
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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He complains that young people are being slammend by others, I think. and has expressed eloquently and with restrained anger his disquiet at that fact.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Thank you smith
*mega hugs*
Hmm I odn't have something nice to say but I think you'll understand how much I appreciate what you said. Thanks again 16 is most definitly hell
*hugs*
Love Andy
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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Because so often they, dispite the things they may be going through, seem to see thing so much more clearly in some ways than us old farts that carry so much worthless baggage. I feel fortunate to be able to come here and read some really refreshing unincumbered veiws.
I can not and never will be able to act as a rent, but being able to listen to their joys, sorrows and humor kinda brings out the paternal instinct in me. I hope that doesn't sound too strange but in a strange way I find it goes a little way to fill a big hole in my life. Even if I did have a kid of my own i sure wouldn't mind if they were not unlike those here.
You all Rock in my book and you have my respect, for coming here and express yourselves! Can't say I will always agree though hehehe
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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that apparantly I can't get ANYTHING right, even when I'm bloody well TRYING to do my best and be nice and supportive! I've had quite enough people telling me today what an uncomprehending idiot I am!
Fuck it! Why the hell should I bother sharing and trying to be of help when it's not the least bit appreciated?
Could you delete my profile now thank you, because I'm just wasting my time and everybody elses with my useless garbage.
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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smith
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On fire! |
Registered: January 1970
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I wasn't slamming myself.........I was being slammed. I'm tired of it but I guess I did a piss poor job of explaining myself.
:-/ JJ
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I wasn't being smug, but if you read it like that, then I owe you an apology
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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lenny that makes me sad. I love reading your posts. Don't go away please :'-( Please stay... *Sigh* I don't think your an idiot... You always make me happy... Sorrys your so sad dude.. I love you...
Peace
~Andy.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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shadow warrior2
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Location: U.S.A.
Registered: August 2003
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Don't let a few ruin what others see in you. I for one look forward to your views and feelings on things. I have to believe that you and the others under 18 are our future. Right now the world is on the verge of a change, and with you and the others, it can be changed for the better of all. Yes us older farts can do it, but to many are set in there ways to go forward. A simple vote while thinking of others instead of yourself can make a lot of changes.
I want the things that you have said in your posts. But I'm just one. smith, I hope one day to be able to walk down the street and hold someones hand without hearing rude remarks, and getting discusting stares. The world needs you all of you if its going to make it.
Some people need to live in the past in order to feel worthy, it doesn't mean that we all have to. I know war gave us freedoms, and this is one of them, but I don't need to be reminded of it everyday. I know what people go through to serve this country. I don't need to hear it from someone else.
Respect is a big word. Though you may give it to others, don't expect it in return all the time. Know that you did right, and your the better person for it.
Shadow Warrior 2
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Your respect for other people shines through in many of the things you write. It is a wonderful value to uphold.
Many of the most thought-provoking posts here are made by younger contributors. I echo what Shadow Warrior says: let no one here feel discouraged, for young and old alike have valuable ideas to contribute.
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robert bryce
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Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
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high school was a bit of hell for me too,untill I got smart and figured out a kind of game plan or strategy that could possably garner respect.I was an electronics nut.Could make a radio out of chewing gum and a toothbrush.So what I did was to get a ham or amature radio station set up for the school and got a bunch of kids interested in that project.This was in the mid 50s.Many kids in hs knew that rob was gay and that was a bit of a trip but I survived and prospered.Because my father was so well connected in business and had many respected friends,He did manage to get tours for the kids at school at various industrial plants.That and along with a willingness to help others seemed to make my hs days go pretty good...what does all this say? Im not sure except that All I know is that I had to bust my butt and earn respect.If it seems that I sit in judgement of other young persons,please remember I had to run that gauntlet too...smith,I have been there and done that.Every hardship that you have ever experienced I have experienced and so have a lot of other persons.I grew up in a home where the most important person in my life did not know how to be a father to his son.He only knew how to show any kind of affection to girls or his wife-my mother.When My father found out that I was in love with a boy,he then proceded to destroy that.The End result was that My Jim took his own life and shattered mine.Please end your anger at rob.He has had enough pain in his life.....rob
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robert bryce
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Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
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These old-cobweb infested values are the underlying framework that built this great nation Into the platform which enables an ungrateful youth to besmirch older adults that have served honorably.Of course if you think for one moment that the people that have sweated blood and tears to build this industrial base and other infrastructur are going to blindly turn over the rains of power to youth that cant find their asses with cold hands,think again friend..Ideas and thoughts are important,hell,they are vital.Dreams and ambitions are vital--they are the substance required for growth.Not one person,including this writer,has slammed your ideas,dreams or hopes.You have done all that by your own anger by playing the personality game-by toasting rob as he provokes you into intelligent thought.Your youthful impatience disallows the complete reading and comprehension of posts by a person who you dont like his personality!!!!This is the old high-school game where popularity and credability are determined by personality and not charactor.And this is what poisons this forum--the personality game and you seem to play that game very well...rob
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shadow warrior2
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Location: U.S.A.
Registered: August 2003
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Rob,
I'm not a mean person. I'm not stepping on anyones toes. I'd probably chat with you, but your so mad at the world that I don't know what to even say to you.
I have tried so hard to give you a fair chance, but you just don't warm up to anything. Whether you like it or not, these young folk are the future of this country, and world. You talk to them with such hatred and disrespect that they are going to turn to the ones that will listen. You have made them feel worthless, and unworthy. I'm so glad that I can listen to them, be there for them, and enjoy there company.
I'm not one of these youths, but I would give up everything to go back and be like them. Don't do this to them anymore. They don't deserve it, I don't deserve it. You want respect, then start dishing it out to others!
Shadow Warrior 2
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I have the honour to know most as personally as one may on the internet. And I find as follows:- not one is in any way unintelligent
- each has differeing eductation levels and each is a dikligent student
- each can give me a run for my money in discussion
- none disregards the feelinsg of another soul
- all are wonderfully youthful in outlook
- each of them has expressed a set of ideas worthy of the wisest person here
- none has villified anyone else
- each is patient and deferential
There is so much more that these young people can teach us all, we old fogies.
Apart from anything else they can teach us how to be forever young. For they are our past and our future.
Most of us have no concept of the conditions, good or bad, in which they love. One, at least,m is gay, out to his parents and happy. One is gay, may never come out and is stressed beyond endurance by the loving home in which he lives. And others have other situations.
None deserves the broadside that has been fired, especially the originator of this thread, who, while he is more than capable of defending himsef, probably will not. And I will not do it for him, either.
We have talked of respect. It is earned daily, by the way we conduct ourselves. It is not earned yesterday, but is earned today, right now.
[Updated on: Tue, 02 September 2003 16:32]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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robert bryce
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Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
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Shadow warrier---you are so wrong..I do not hate the world and am not hateful towards youth.As I posted above,I responded to the playing of the personality game..It is hurtful..I am accused of not really knowing the people on this board and judging them out of ignorance on my part.What really has been done here is to provoke dialouge between members.Judging by the number of responses,much dialouge has been generated.I speak and write in plain terms and have a good command of semantics and word meanings.What seems to be the case is a poor reading and understanding of my posts.Never once did I ever slam a member except to comment on the content.Poorly written and poorly thought out posts rub hard.However it is important to note that the person is not being slammed,it is the content of his post.You have the same right to comment on the content of what I write,but you have no right to comment on my charactor or besmirch my charactor..Stop playing the personality game,use that intelligence to confirm that this person is of good charactor,reaand please comprehend without bias what is written..rob
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shadow warrior2
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Location: U.S.A.
Registered: August 2003
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Rob,
If I may ask, what personality game are you talking about?
I am not trying to be hateful, but you make me feel inferior.
Shadow Warrior 2
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robert bryce
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Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
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Never once did I ever say that..Again what is clearly printed is pretty easy to understand and the old personality game is common knowledge.Just think back to high school days the ol popularity games kids played. rob
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robert bryce
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Really getting into it |
Registered: January 1970
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being 16 aint hell when you found love and know your not alone..rob
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Well put smith.
All hear deserve an equal level of respect. Young, old, short, tall, gay straight.
we are all individuals with value. You are valuble.
Hope all of us can take that away from this thread.
Hugs,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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On fire! |
Location: currently So Cal
Registered: May 2002
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Sometimes us old fogies get to thinking that we know it all because we've "been there, done that." But it just isn't so and we may need a gentle (or no so gentle) reminder. We get caught up in the thought that wisdom comes with age, but forget that the young aren't with out it. We look back to when we were young and we see how we've changed. We attribute the changes to having grown wiser and we dismiss the opinions of the young because we have dismissed many of our own opinions from our youth. What we sometimes fail to realize is that the opinions from our youth may be different now, but were no less valid. They simply stopped servicing our needs so we changed them.
No one's opinions are more or less valuable than those of anyone else simply because a person is older or younger or somehow different than ourself. No one's opinions should be discounted or dismissed simply because he is younger. In fact those opinions should be valued even if we disagree and even if we "know" that someday that young person may see things differently.
My own opinions are different as I near the age of 45 than they were when I was 16. At 16 they were different than they were when I was 12. But they are no more valid now than they were then. Some might say I have grown wiser as I have grown older, perhaps, perhaps not. I believe that there is a wisdom that comes with age and experience, but I also believe there is a wisdom in youth as well. Neither is any more or less valid, though they may be quite different. Both serve our needs at the time.
Though I may at times disagree, I hope I do not disrespect.
Think good thoughts,
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Metaphorically Speaking....... 
You're usually right, smith. Not this time though. 
read again what he wrote 
I know I like and respect what younger folks have to say 
Dang, Lenny 
