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Registered: March 2012
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Sorry i'm going to go a little off topic here but this is something i would like to hear more opinions about.
The question is simple.
Does the end justify the means?
Example. Lets say you are a person with five children and you really need a job. You found one. However, there is another person more qualify for the job than you. Well, afraid you are not going to get the job you decide to lie in resume. The problem is the lies are going to built up from there. Now lets say you got the job because you lied. Was it alright to lie? The other person was more qualify than you. But you also have five children to fead. Do you think that a person should do whatever it takes to get something even if it means to hurt other people along the way? I mean it is for a good cause. You need to give food to your children.
Remember a mans character is his faith. Your character and values is what makes you good person. If you don't have good character and values you are probably going to end up bad. Yes lied for a good cause, but is it the right thing to do? What happened to your character and values?
It is all related to the old saying "What goes around comes around " Yeah you might have gotten the job but sooner or later you are going to pay the consequences.
Now there is no right or wrong answer to this question. It is just a matter of opinion. Now i want to hear yours.
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OK, here ya go.
Ethics means just what it says.
You ask if it's OK to lie. Answer: No
You posed the "lesser of two evils" argument. Answer: No it is not OK to lie, you cannot justify you way into ethics. Because there is always another option.
Sometimes in life we decide that it is OK to do this or that, tell a little white lie, withold information (lie of omission). Are we compimising our ethics when we do these things. Answer: Yes
Does that make you a bad person by default? Answer: No
Life is choice. Make it a good one.
Hugs,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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robert bryce
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Registered: January 1970
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compromising ones ethics just makes that person untrustworthy and believe it or not,what goes around comes around.Though when it comes to family or close friends,the decision becomes damn hard.People that lie or cheat usually are found out.then game over....rob
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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Personal I would not lie and I don't support the commiting of one evil to further the greater good. There are infinite possibilities in life, people just seldom see more than a few. I believe in the situation that was referred to that if the person was honest and then just put on the best show possible at the interview, or included a self-statement that would be appealing to the company they should still have a good chance. If not, then there are plenty more jobs, plenty more options, even if they aren't obvious. Be it karma, be it God, be it just how the universe works, I feel that if you are trying your hardest to live your personal definition of good, then even though the short term might be rough, if you put in the effort things won't stay so hard forever. People are just too willing to say things are bad and then not really want to change it.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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The story below is likely to be true, but, even if not, it seems to have some relevance here. You see we do lie, all the time, about the smallest things in life.
It's a story about Miz' Lillian Carter, the former president"s mother. A news lady, I think it was Barbara Walters, came to Miz' Lillian's home in Plains Georgia to do an interview. While Miz' Lillian was showing her around the news lady asked about a recent statement she made where she said that Jimmy never lied when he was a boy. Miz' Lillian said that he may have told some "little white lies."
"Aha!" said the news lady, "so he did tell lies!"
"Well not real lies, just 'little white lies,'" Miz' Lillian insisted.
"A lie is a lie, is it not?" asked the news lady, "what do you consider a 'little white lie.' Give me an example of a 'little white lie.'"
"Well, Miz' Lillian said, "you know when you first got here tonite, and I told you how nice it was to see you?"
Has it relevance here? I think so. Because there is a point that a white lie starts to get grey. A good friend knows a young man who does not wish people to know he is gay. That young man often gets asked if he is married. The culture he lives and works in does not accept homosexuality. Fact. So what should he say?- No, I am gay
- I like the bachelor life
- I'm not ready to settle down
- I'm seeing someone in [choose a city]
- I can't have the person I love
- I haven't met the right girl yet
- I haven't met the right person yet
The list of alternatives is almost endless. So what should he do? And is any answer other than "I am gay" ethical?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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And what I usually say truthfully when people ask me relationship questions is that "I'm not ready for a long term relationship at the moment and I only want a relationship where I will be able to devote myself to someone" or something similar. If they ask "What do you think of Japanese girls?" (common), I'll answer "They are nice, but I'm not very interested in girls at the moment," if they ask "Do you have a girlfriend?" I'll answer "No", if they ask "Are you gay?" then I will answer "Yes". One thing I've learnt in Japan from the Japanese people is that there is no need to answer with more than is asked. They are often very tight lipped, if you ask how they are they will say 'fine' if you ask what they did, they will say 'I went to see a movie' without giving you much more information, when it comes to personal things, they talk even less. I usually only talk to them in English, but I've heard that they are the same if not worse in Japanese, probably because Japanese is such an ambigious language to start with.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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When the young man was asked if he were married....
Would not the best answer be?..... A simple....
No....
After all, what business is it of any one else?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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