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timmy
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I have watched and looked at both gay and str8 porn films and pictures.
The area of difference is with oral sex. And I find I am confused by it.
There are two main differences. The first is in behaviour and facial expression leading to orgasm, and the second is the orgasm itself.
- Fellatio
- Gay: The penis being licked and sucked is treated with a reverence however enthusiastic and rough the fellatio. It is treated firmly, and caressed. The facial expression of the fellator is one of usually contemplation or delight.
- Straight: The penis being licked or sucked appears to be disliked. The facial expression of the fellator is a "studied porn film face" masking an apparent disgust of the act and the body part. It is a sort of "cheap slut" face. Violent fellatio is pretty much the norm here.
- Orgasm
- Gay: The fellator's face shows wonderment at what he has helped the fellatee achieve. There is rarely excessive semen added by the props team, and such semen that there is is not usually plastered extravangetly over the fellator's face, nor is it dribbled out of the mouth. it;s almost "business is business, and that was good business"
- Straight: The "cheap slut" face is maintained and an exaggerated quantity of semen and "prop team fake semen" is bestowed liberally over the fellator's face. The cheap slut face can't help but look disgusted (and I don't blame her in these circumstances)
I have noticed similar differences in the poses of male and female hunks in even the daily newspapers.
So, should we conclude that straight men like women to be cheap sluts?
I don't think so. No-one I have asked wants that at all.
So, what is going on here? For I have no idea.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I think that "cheap slut" is what many are looking for in their porn experience...part of the fantasy.
And what do they make fake semen out of, anyhow, I wonder? I've never thought about it...
"Always forgive your enemies...nothing annoys them quite so much." Oscar Wilde
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I think almost all straight porn depicts women as objects not partners. That is the fundamental difference.
Just a thought.
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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timmy
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I know what you are driving at. "A woman is to be fucked and is to suck me". She is not an equal partner. But the facial expressions just look so "standard" and beastly and contrived.......
I so prefer the whole concept of mutual sexual pleasure.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I think I would be content to watch str8 porn where the girl was enjoying herself in a palpable way. But the examples I've seen so far are very much "man's pleasure oriented". Though what pleasure a man gets from filling a girl's face with semen is beyond me
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I think most of us like the mutual respect better. Not sure why straight men don't.
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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the pleasure he gets is dominance, pure and simple. staking his claim, marking what's his or where he's been.
at least, that's the impression i get from certain straight-porn i've seen. the only "mutual" sorts i've seen are only depicted in soft-core erotica, and even then, it's sometimes questionable.
and in turn, i also mean no offense in anything i say. it's assumed straight males are rarely about the pleasure of their partner; that the woman is there to fufill his needs, and her own are second-rate, if they're even considered at all.
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
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Another thing I noticed different between gay and str8 porn. In gay porn, the guys are cute to say the least, in str8 porn, the guys aren't as appealing.
Blake's my boy.
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timmy
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Is that "normal" or "directed"? it looks like a natural expression.
I use the evidence of looking at little kids, too yoing to be "fromally sexual" in (eg) cafeteria situations with parents. The girls often (bt not always) adopt the "Porn slut" expression when trying to wheedle things out of their fathers but not with their mothers.
It horrifies me, really.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Though I wasn't going to highlight it. The rationale, of course, is that we are not looking at the guy. But bring on the "Barf-o-matic!
Oddly we spend a lot of time looking at his penis. And so many of those are not pleasing to behold. One studio often uses guys with very weird pigmentation on the penile skin. And the guy always has an imposisbly large todger! I so prefer to be able to identify with normally hung guys.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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that was thirty years ago....
Now-a-days it may be something different.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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robert bryce
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And here I was under the impression that the Britts invented porn as a competition to Americas hollywood.Gosh,the things one learns here.....rob
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robert bryce
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just a lil ol note,who needs porn when they gots the real thingy.....rob
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robert bryce
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I just wish this topic and threads would end or relocate to the back pages,the reasons being pretty obvious.Good people think good thoughts and do good things....BTW anyone wants to see some cuties,visit 19 nitton.The boys on that site will knock your socks off.....rob
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timmy
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If you sprayed purple the members of the congregation of any church who had had bad thoughts and who had done bad things, you would see a great majority of purple congregants.
There has never been anything wrong with talking about things that good people wish would not be seen. Hiding things out of sight created huge problems for my generation. I see no reason to perpetuate the "out of sight, out of mind" concept that my parents had
[Updated on: Tue, 16 September 2003 14:09]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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robert bryce
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discussion of porn is one thing but the lurid description of facial expressions and the use of the word slut drives me bananas...I thought we were going to change things and play and say nice things and treat with respect the sensabilities of those on this board.I said this before and say it again..I want to be proud of the people here.Who really cares what a female looks like when having porn sex-the discussion only fuels the bad treatment and attitude towards women.Of course this is only my opinion...rob
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timmy
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That is about the treatment of women, really. It makes a totally valid topic.
Bland, sweet, and goody two shoes, these are all things this board will never be accused of. Nor is it now, nor will it ever be PG in nature.
Be proud that people are able to talk about things that are offensive. Don't be proud if they do not dare to. The generations coming through can make a difference, but only if they know what is there to make a difference to.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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Being able to talk about porn and sex in an environment without it causing discomfort is the sign of a mature board, in my opinion. It's not like these topics are sexual stimulus for anyone, it's not like these topics are even at the expense of an individual or group, it's not like we have members here (that I know of) that have never heard of 'sex' or 'porn'. So where is the harm?
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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robert bryce
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I think ANY reasonable person would object to terms such as slut and graphic descriptions of facial expressions>..I sure as hell aint a prudish person But I have come to respect the several female posters on this panel and right now I am spitting nails.I will go now and read Just Hit Send two more times before I tie into Timmy....rob
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marc
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to the "never heard of sex and porn" coin.
What about those that have been on the far side of the lens themselves?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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calling a girl a slut just because she acts in a porn film doesn't necessarily make her one.
Just as in gay porn filming there is a certain "attitude" if you will that the directors traditionaly strive to achieve. It is a part of the process and doesn't necessarily reflect the female's views or feelings.
It is all part of the erotic moment, and how it is achieved is relative to the venue the perveyers of these films are marketing to.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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It is a facial expression, an attitude struck by the actor. Th eonly description of it is the words I used. To describe it in any other way is pussyfooting around the topic and lacks the immediacy of the description.
That expression then appears to categorise the person. And we never meet the person, simply the facade.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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I just want it understood that for the most and usual part, the actor and actress, wether it be gay or str8 erotica are responding to training and stage directions.
And I did say for the most part.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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The facial expression is an integral part of what is portrayed as enjoyable and titillating. It is, in itself, probably the most pornographic element. The rest of the material is merely body parts sliding into other body parts.
But this diatribe against the term "slut" used as a description of facial expression has totally diverted the original topic from the differences between gay and straught porn.
So, may we please come back to the topic in question? It is, or appears to me to be, the key difference between homosexual male, and heterosexual pornography.
This has nothing to do with whether anyone here respects women or otherwise. It really is nothing to get irate about, even with the ire expressed in the veiled way. It is a topic for rational and mature discussion
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Seems since it was never directed at the entire female gender, that nobody should be offended. If we have any female porn actresses, I apologize. And even if we do, I doubt many would find truth so upsetting.
Like Saben says, 'this is a sign of a mature board' (I paraphrase)
So, I ask all of you, are you offended?
Signed,
Kurious Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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But Marc, I don't believe the fictitious 'She' was ever called a slut. I think they merely talked about her depiction in a particular type of film. Many people appear in film different than they are in real life?
Seems we are overly worried. Not that I am not guilty of that alot as well.
Just a thought,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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though i used to wish i was a porn-star .. that's not a joke, either.
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
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timmy
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Marc makes the precise point, I think. That the director calls the shots, literally.
Now, I think my real question is "Why do heterosexual men appear to want their women to look like sluts, and to be degraded in porn?" After all, in general, even in S&M (non-extreme) porn, a gay man reveres his partner.
I have asked several straight men who watch porn, and they do not like the facial expressions and degradation. So, since film makers only make films to sell, where is their market?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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It is likely that people whom we know might wish to log out and post any experiences as a a guest. Or, if not, I point this out to remind them of the possibility. There is a very real potential for prejudices to arrive unexpectedly in this area, and I wiuld not want anyone harmed, if such a persojnh or group of people is here and willing to share experiences.
I am not saying it is a necessary thing to post as a guest. Simply reminding that it is possible and allowable
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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I just wanted to emphasize the fact that they are actors and actresses playing a part.
Like any area to entertainment ..... Some do it well and some just do it....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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robert bryce
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I sense a strong dislike for the church or organized religion.Why is this so if at all.When I form friendships of any kind,I look for a commonality,some common ground conducive to mutual respect.Core beliefs play a huge role in establishing mutual respect.I am saddened.....rob
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marc
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Because for the majority of them they are fulfilling a fantasy....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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How did we get from porn to religeon? I am confused by the statement, and where you get the 'sense' and about whom? No disrespect intended.
Just curious,
Much love you you,
Kevin
"Be excellent to each other, and, party on dudes"!
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I don't take offense...it's true and sometimes the truth hurts. I also know the environment that I choose to take part in. I like it here, I like being treated like "one of the guys" but I'm more than willing to offer a female opinion if I were ever to be asked. I don't think you need to worry about us girls....I believe we can object to things on our own.
Danielle
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"Some people love you and some hate you.. those who hate don't know what they're missing and they're missing out!"
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I have never seen gay porn to be able to judge a difference, however I don't see a point in porn in genereal. I like/would prefer to see "porn with a plot" so to speak. It seems more natural and for me there is a bit more excitement in it. Showtime and Cinnemax usually have pretty good ones;-)
just my 2 cents
Danielle
"To the world you may be but one person, but to one person you may be the world!"
"Some people love you and some hate you.. those who hate don't know what they're missing and they're missing out!"
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timmy
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It has no place in this thread, but it has a place in another one. It can be discussed in a civilised manner, as long as we recognise that there will be no winners and no losers.
Create the thread, Rob.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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robert bryce
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Why bother!!! It would seem that the values that I hold dear become the butt of snide comments or nasty rebuttals.I speak excellent english and have reasonable communication skills,yet the posts I make are taken out of context and given a different spin altogether...This place should be FUN to visit and to leave with a warm feeling in my heart..I try to listen to other ideas and reshape some of my views,a sharing of values if you will.The brightest thing that has happened is the addition of the ladies to this forum..They make sense and seem willing to share troubles hopes and dreams and have given me much to think about.Right now this person is thinking of a very lonely boy,Garrett.I hope he is doing well.Is he still in our hearts????????...rob
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marc
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Where were there any snide comments?
If you were refering to Tim's analogy of purple people in church then I think you are confused.
His referance to purple people just parallels the biblical texts "let them without sin cast the first stone"
Reread his reply taking that thought into account.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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porn with a plot = softcore, or erotica. that tends to be mostly what i watch, too. though i will whisper-admit that i secretly own more hardcore stuff, too, of both gay and straight. 
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
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