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icon3.gif smith Thoughts  [message #19454] Sat, 17 January 2004 13:08 Go to next message
smith is currently offline  smith

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This arguing is happening way too often now. Please try to remember that this isn't your own personal blog and alot of people come here to laugh and talk to friends. There are so many lurkers who would love to talk but are not going to try because of the bickering.
I'm the most stubborn of the "youngsters". There IS no other place for us that feels safe. Please stop so everyone can have fun again and not be afraid to post. My Mama always stops my whining by saying:
"James...Everything that comes into your head does NOT have to come out your mouth." In this case, it would be your fingers. Temper your thoughts; ask yourself if what you're posting will benefit you or someone else or is it just done out of personal frustration? We need to all be here FOR each other. There are too many people out there that aren't FOR each of us. We all need This Place of Safety. Please stop and make someone happy today by smiling and lightening up.

*******An old Cherokee man is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he says to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
One is evil. he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed,arrogance, self-pity, guiilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, and ego.
The other is good. He is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.
This same fight is going on inside you and every other person."
The grandson thinks for a minute and then asks his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"
The old man replies, "The one you feed." **********
I learnt something today  [message #19455 is a reply to message #19454] Sat, 17 January 2004 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Mind you I just HATE it when one of those tv shows says that at the end!

I have been trying to feed the right wolf,and have been feeding the wrong one.

Myself, I mean. My own wolves.

I need to make friends with the wrong one and feed the right one.

Thank you, smith. Now I just have to learn how to do it.



Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
icon6.gif In Defense of Wolves  [message #19462 is a reply to message #19455] Sat, 17 January 2004 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dartagnon is currently offline  dartagnon

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Maybe we should all just try feeding both wolves and hope that they can form a pack instead fight each other for territory. Leash the beast, so to speak.



It's not the wolf you see you should fear, but all the ones he howls with. Don't be afraid of the song, but don't piss off the choir.
Re: I learnt something today  [message #19466 is a reply to message #19455] Sun, 18 January 2004 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
iensp2 is currently offline  iensp2

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It's really quite simple to feed the wolf. Stay true to your feelings, listen to what you feel inside, be honest with yourself. Try to find inner peace. I don't believe there's a right and a wrong wolf though. I believe both sides of us need to be there but be in balance. Sometimes we are justified in our anger and resentment but that doesn't mean we have to lash out and hurt, we can stand up for ourselves without intentionally* hurting others. I think that's what happens when both sides are in balance.

*Because I don't MEAN to hurt someone, doesn't mean they won't FEEL hurt. But there's a BIG difference between me hurting them or their feeling hurt.

Hehehe just my two cents



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Re: smith Thoughts  [message #19468 is a reply to message #19454] Sun, 18 January 2004 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
arich is currently offline  arich

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Though I am of Cherokee ancestry, I have always liked this one, it's from a song actually.

The Eagal and the Serpent are at war in me, The Serpent for bind desire the Eagal for Clarity!



People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
Re: smith Thoughts  [message #19503 is a reply to message #19454] Tue, 20 January 2004 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ena is currently offline  Ena

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Like the Cherokee's story.


Here's another though not as well written as smith's.

Once upon a time, an ancient kingdom was terrorised by a monster. The people were frightened and angry with the monster. They tried to chase it away by making loud noises, shouting abuses at it and throwing stones at it. But it just grew bigger and bigger, eating up those that get in its way. The people became even more terrified and helpless. Finally, a wiseman advise the King that the only way to tame the beast is with good thoughts and kindness.

The people were sceptical but at the end of their wit, they did what they were advised.

To their surprise as they confronted their fears and treat the beast with kindness, the beast begin to grow smaller. The more compassion they show, the more it shrank till at last it became as big as a rat.

The beast is in us and it feeds on our fears, angers and prejudice.
icon14.gif Re: smith Thoughts  [message #19514 is a reply to message #19454] Tue, 20 January 2004 11:59 Go to previous message
ron is currently offline  ron

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At the bottom of the lesson smith's parable is teaching, I think, is that perhaps both wolves need be to fed (as one really can't exist without the other).

Now, stubborness (it would seem) is generally looked upon as an "evil wolf" trait; but when applied in such a selfless manner, it can (and should) teach both wolves a lesson. Thank goodness for that stubborness!

As it applies here, it reminds me of that line from "The King and I": "Getting to know you; putting it my way, but nicely." That's what it's all about here (or should be). Disagreement is to be expected (and, in fact, can be quite healthy); but when it descends to the vitrolic level it (sadly) sometimes does here, then it truly becomes "bad wolf". It does indeed stifle the healthy discourse by discouraging participation from those who would (and should) otherwise participate.

That admonition from smith's mom paraphrases what Thumper's mom reminds him of in "Bambi": "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." It is possible to disagree (even quite strongly) and still be nice. Just as balance can exist between those two wolves, so can it here.

You go on being stubborn, smith. In your case, it's definitely a "good wolf" trait, and something we all benefit from it (or should).



We do not remember days...we remember moments.

Cesare Pavese
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