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Was censorship justified?  [message #19710] Sun, 08 February 2004 06:40 Go to next message
Steve is currently offline  Steve

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A local high school which specializes in the arts held a competetion. One of the entries (a pencil sketch) was disqualified. The student went to the press who, of course, printed the sketch for all to see.

My question for discussion: was the school right to exercise censorship?
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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19711 is a reply to message #19710] Sun, 08 February 2004 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's quitebeautiful...looks like something out of Michaelangelo's schetchbook.

But of course he had all those fig leaves and such added, even during his own life-time, huh?

Bummer. Hope the student doesn't give up. Seems feisty, tho, going to the press. Good!



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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19713 is a reply to message #19710] Sun, 08 February 2004 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The picture is neither good not bad, and it has no hetero vs homo connotations. It is simply a sketch.

The fact of censorship depends solely on the acceptance criteria for the exhibition. If they were "no nudity, no acts of sex" then censorship was justified because the picture broke the acceptance criteria. If not, then WAS it censorship, or was it a "perceived picture value" issue?



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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19714 is a reply to message #19710] Sun, 08 February 2004 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First, the picture is of 2 nudes. They may indeed be in a provocative pose but there is no explicit exebition of a sexual act.

Second, The school was one to perpetuate the arts, the nude form is a large part of any classical artistic education and therefore an acceptible subject matter.

If as Tim said the Criteria of the exhibit/competition was tred upon then the school is justified.

I would expect to see a printed copy of the criteria (certified printed before the incident) and verify my or their position on the matter.

If there is no hard copy criteria then the school had no right to sensor it from the exhibit/competition.



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Just one question though.....?  [message #19715 is a reply to message #19710] Sun, 08 February 2004 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There seems to be a ghost of script or watermark behind the characters depicted.

Is there some significance to it/them?

The answer might lie in the words and not the nudes.

Just wondering......
Marc



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icon12.gif Hey! You didn't answer my question!  [message #19716 is a reply to message #19711] Sun, 08 February 2004 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Just one question though.....?  [message #19717 is a reply to message #19715] Sun, 08 February 2004 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The watermark is no watermark. You try scanning from a newspaper! You get the print coming through from the other side.Wink
Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19718 is a reply to message #19713] Sun, 08 February 2004 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No subject or theme was set and there were no acceptance criteria beyond the "this must be your own work" kind.

The school principal said to the reporting journalist that he thought that such work might be found offensive coming from a 12th-grader. The article in the newspaper had great fun with that remark.
Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19719 is a reply to message #19718] Sun, 08 February 2004 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can we see the article?



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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19720 is a reply to message #19719] Sun, 08 February 2004 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marc wrote:
> Can we see the article?
Do you read Hebrew? Wink
Re: Just one question though.....?  [message #19721 is a reply to message #19717] Sun, 08 February 2004 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Try placing a piece of black construction paper over the clipping the reflected glare from the top of the scanner cover should be reduced somewhat.



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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19722 is a reply to message #19718] Sun, 08 February 2004 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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12th grade is pretty much adult, yes? Over the age of cnsent, but not over the age of majority?

If so I would say as an art critic that the pic is poor, and as a potential visitor to a shool exhibition that I understand why the headteacher would not allow it. It is not "the sort of picture one would normally associate with a school exhibition".

Had the exhibition been non school sponsored I would have a different view, though I still feel the picture is poor.



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icon5.gif Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19726 is a reply to message #19710] Mon, 09 February 2004 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I would have to say it truely depends on the age of the student.. Also art is art but there is a fine line between natural and pornografic.. If I were put into the teachers.or judge's position I would have taken the student aside and ask the meaning behind the sketch then made a responsible desission based on the facts obtaind... I also have a very stong oppinion on young teens having sexual intercourse... I was 17 before my first incounter which was with my bestfriend(A boy) so there is my view on the whole thing... I would have not aloud it to be enterd into a school event, as it is teens are not proprely educated on sexual conduct in the home nor in the class room.. No matter how mildly put this to me is not an entry but a child pushing the limits of what one might be able to get away with, and the child at hand reliezed that sexual fantisy is not an exceptable issue in the class room.
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icon12.gif Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19737 is a reply to message #19720] Tue, 10 February 2004 02:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19738 is a reply to message #19710] Tue, 10 February 2004 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think only one word is needed to answer your question, Steve, and that word is "no", plain and simple.

And they call themselves an art school? Shame on them! Their Dean must be a disciple of that world-renowned expert on all matters artistic Jesse Helms!



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icon7.gif Re: Was censorship justified?  [message #19751 is a reply to message #19710] Tue, 10 February 2004 13:18 Go to previous message
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NO.

Just NO.

At least that is my two cents worth, hehe.

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