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The TX GOP "believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable 'alternative' lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should 'family' be redefined to include homosexual 'couples.' We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, recognition, or privileges including, but not limited to, marriage between persons of the same sex, custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits... We also believe: that no homosexual or any individual convicted of child abuse or molestation should have the right to custody or adoption of a minor child."
http://www.texasgop.org/library/RPTPlatform2004.pdf
With party platforms like these, I don't see why a member of any minority would want to vote for the elephants; gays least of all...
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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marc
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What would you expect from a place that spawned G.W.???
These people are like flies buzzing around a picnic. They annoy but eventually will go away.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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The language in this text is bordering on equating homosexuals with sub-humans. Tearing the fabric of society and such means we're ruining the world as we know it pretty much just by existing. These are extremely potent words, and the GOP being the major party in Texas... It's not some fringe group of nutsos a la the KKK or Aryan Nation we're talking about here. It's mainstream!
Of course it has to be taken seriously, the life and liberties of homosexuals are most definitely under attack.
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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Such lovely people, those Texas Republicans. A few more excerpts:
"Christian Nation – The Republican Party of Texas affirms that the United States of America is a Christian nation, and the public acknowledgement of God is undeniable in our history. Our nation was founded on fundamental Judeo-Christian principles based on the Holy Bible. The Party affirms freedom of religion, and rejects efforts of courts and secular activists who seek to remove and deny such a rich heritage from our public lives."
"Family and Defense of Marriage – The Party supports the traditional definition of marriage as a God–ordained, legal and moral commitment only between a natural man and a natural woman, which is the foundational unit of a healthy society, and the Party opposes the assault on marriage by judicial activists. We call on the President, Congress, and the Texas Legislature to take immediate action to defend the sanctity of traditional marriage. We urge Congress to exercise authority under the United States Constitution, and pass legislation withholding jurisdiction from the Federal Courts in cases involving family law, especially any changes in the traditional definition of marriage. We further call on Congress to pass and the state legislatures to ratify a marriage amendment declaring that marriage in the United States shall consist and be recognized only as the union of a natural man and a natural woman. Neither the United States nor any state shall recognize or grant to any unmarried person the legal rights or status of a spouse. We oppose the recognition of and granting of benefits to people who represent themselves as domestic partners without being legally married. Texas families will be stronger because of the passage by Governor Perry and the 78th Texas Legislature of the “Defense of Marriage Act”, which denies recognition by Texas of Homosexual “unions” legitimized by other states or nations."
"Marriage Licenses – The Party supports legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for a same-sex couple."
"Texas Sodomy Statutes – The Party opposes the legalization of sodomy. The Party demands Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy."
"Americans with Disabilities Act – The Party supports amendment of the Americans with Disabilities Act to exclude from its definition those persons with infectious diseases, substance addiction, learning disabilities, behavior disorders, homosexual practices and mental stress, thereby reducing abuse of the Act."
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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There are bigots everywhere, not just in the US. But they do seem to be especially prevalent in Texas. They are NOT like buzzing flies that will eventually go away. They are more like a hive of killer bees that will attack without warning.
It is interesting that in one paragraph they invoke the principles on which this nation was founded as justification for their actions, then they say they would like to eliminate the court system from the process "We urge Congress to exercise authority under the United States Constitution, and pass legislation withholding jurisdiction from the Federal Courts in cases involving family law, especially any changes in the traditional definition of marriage." Talk about hypocrasy.
Texans can be scary people,
Think good thoughts,
e
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What is it about homosexuals that these people feel is so threatening that marrying two of them has to be made a felony? Aren't the prisons full enough already of people put there for the most rediculous of charges?
What about the two people married, should they get the death penalty perhaps, maybe lynching in the nearest tree at dawn without a trial?
Also, why do these people need to pry into the private doings of people to such a degree that "sodomy" (which has become equal to (homosexual) anal sex, but has no historical support for that interpretation in the bible) has to be outlawed too? Isn't the personal lives of American citizens a highly cherished sanctity? Guess privacy doesn't apply when it comes to them thar dirty FAGGOTS... :-/
These people are truly SCARY. I suppose the Texan branch of the republican party is a SPECIAL kind of compassionate conservatives...  Wonder if people in general in Texas - republicans or otherwise - have a clue what's in the party platform, and if so, what they think about it. It's not just the gay stuff, but that section about excluding certain groups from disabilities etc. What's up with that?
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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marc
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All this is nothing they haven't been saying in dark bars and back rooms where they store their white robes and hoods.
It is better to get it in writing because then you know exactly where you stand.
And don't forget that there are bigots everywhere....
Everywhere.... not just the USA....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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LOL.... Texas sodomy statutes.... now there is a laugh...
Texas Republicans have been screwing people for years.....
and you'd think... with all that oil they would at least use lube...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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If you notice, the Party's platform dec lares that marriage between a "natural" man and woman should be legal. That means that a woman having a sex change to become a man and then marrying a man should be ok with them. Just a thought.
It seems odd that ISSUING a marriage license and "performing a marriage ceremony" for gay couples should be a felony while the actual marriage is not. Leave it to the republicans to make a felony out of assisting others in a non-feloneous act. They seem to have omitted making homosexual marriage itself a felony.
The only meaningful distinction between the Republicans and Democrats is their stand on so-called "social issues" and dispensing their own brand of morality is their way of diverting their followers' attention away from their failings in more important areas and from preventing any meaningful public debate of real issues. As long as the Republicans can keep the debate over homosexual marriage in the forefront, the public won't have nearly as much time to debate the war in Iraq including the false premise which was given for going to war in the first place.
Therfore bigotry becomes a weapon and is encouraged.
Think good thoughts,
e
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Child Abuse – The Party recognizes that the family is a sovereign sphere of authority over which the state has no right to intervene unless a parent or legal guardian has committed criminal abuse. Child abusers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law; however, we oppose actions of social agencies to classify traditional methods of discipline as
child abuse. We support requiring private agencies receiving public funds to comply with state laws requiring the reporting of instances of suspected statutory rape as a condition of receiving those funds.
So it seems that as long as you use traditional methods, you can beat your children...how lovely
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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Marc wrote:
>>And don't forget that there are bigots everywhere.... Everywhere.... not just the USA....<<
Yes, this is true. But elsewhere in the western world they are not running the country and making bigotry a part of the national agenda.
"There is something rotten in the state of Denmark".
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It seems to me by use of the word "natural", they mean men or women BORN as men or women. True, this might be a matter of interpretation, but seeing the way the thing is written in general, this is the way it "feels", at least to me.
I mean, I don't think these people see a sex-change operation any less abominable than homosexuality, and would not willingly leave a huge loop-hole open like that if they could prevent it...
Why is it so hard to just let people live the way they want to? Isn't THAT what America is really about?
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Thanks anyway for your insights, e...
*hug!*
-L
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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Well, one could argue this is happening in Israel too, with regards to the occupied territories...
Maybe Sharon fired the worst bigots from his government, but the wall is still being built, people are still being made homeless etc.
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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the point of excluding all those categories of people with disabilities from the ADA is so that the "icky people" stop being an issue; those who don't deserve help, and those who require extensive and expensive help to compensate for their disabilities--what you're seeing here is a sop to the business community in Texas. The ADA is an expensive measure for a lot of businesses, and disallowing certain categories of disabled persons would make it a lot cheaper. And, of course, they're including the categories of people whose disability is their own damn fault, like people with infectious diseases, drug abusers, any problems that stem from being a g*ddamn faggot, that sort of thing. You know--THEM people.
To me, this is an object lesson in why the separation of church and state is so incredibly important, and vital to the health of this country. That separation is not designed to protect the churches from state intervention, but to protect the government from the establishment of a theocracy. What you're seeing in this platform is the Texas Republican Party hi-jacked by the Christian Rightwing bigots....i suspect that there are actually a lot of 'goldwater republicans' in Texas, but their voices are not being heard in this document, because they didn't get on the caucuses, where these platform statements are formulated.
In some ways, i'm actually glad to see this kind of extreme language in their platform--i think it alienates a lot of people who would otherwise vote republican, and makes them either not vote at all, or vote democrat.
We live in interesting times.
cheers!
"I promise not to try not to fuck with your mind/ I promise not to mind if you go your way and i go mine/promise not to lie if i'm looking you right in your eye/promise not to try not to let you down."
--Eve6
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Bravo to lenny for publishing the link about texass republican platform.It was an interesting read.I read the whole thing. Lenny,Could you get a copy of the democratic platform.I believe that may be a interesting read. Again thank you...sparks;-D
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I searched and searched,but did not find any reference to hetrosexual anal or hetrosexual oral sodomy.No draconian measures it seems would be applied to these practicioners of unnatural sex. Of course these texass bible thumpers seem to forget about the bibles prohabition about sex outside of the seven-day fertle cycle.It also would seem that the seafood and ham industries would suffer.All in all,nature placed the great state of texass in the right spot,the asshole of the US .Florida seems well placed too.sparks;-D
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I found the link on a different website's discussion board (non-gay related, though several members there are openly gay), and as this platform document is just for the (R) guys in Texas it makes me believe maybe every state has a platform of their own?
If so there'd be like 100 platforms to read through for both major parties.  Ok, so call me lazy if you will, but that is more work than I'm willing to put in, that I'm saying right away, hahaa!
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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Indeed, every branch of the major parties in every state publishes a platform...not many years ago, the republicans in my very own state of Washington went mad and had some crazy plank in their platform condemning lesbians, femininists and wiccans....fortunately, led by a former governor, the mostly secular majority have wrested control back from the christian rightwing idiots, and now they merely support the usual bad economic decisions, wars in foreign countries, and hideous environmental policy that the mainstream republicans are so well known for.
"I promise not to try not to fuck with your mind/ I promise not to mind if you go your way and i go mine/promise not to lie if i'm looking you right in your eye/promise not to try not to let you down."
--Eve6
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USA - Land of the free! ....And the bigoted, it would seem. 
This is a bit more serious than just 'buzzing flies' I'd say 
I'm not so sure about the loophole... 
Re: USA - Land of the free! ....And the bigoted, it would seem. 
Re: USA - just one more point please 
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