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yeah, so even though it's not official, it's just projected, michigan passed the ban on same-sex marriages, or, that marriage "or any other similar union" (this is the exact wording, to therefore nix ANY shot of anyone getting married outside of michigan and moving back in, etc, and everything in between) will only be recognised between a man and a woman.
being that it's michigan i should've expected this, but... i held out hope.
i'm sorry, but the "sanctity" of marriage went out when spousal abuse, infidelity, and divorce rates grew sky high. GENDER isn't going to make it any less SACRED, what the HELL is wrong with people's LOGIC.
GOD i am so angry i could cry. i HATE voting. i've voted every election/proposal since i was 18, but admittedly i threw my votes (1996 i voted for/wrote in henry rollins, 2000 i voted green party just to be an ass) in past elections, and this time it really mattered, and now i can see WHY people get so jaded on voting, and stop doing it. yeah, it's a sort of "sore loser" mentality but i mean come on. some of us don't have the funds or means to just up and move to another state or country where same sex marriages are okay, or jobs are plentiful and health care abounds, so we're stuck in a place where we pull that switch down with fire in our eyes just hoping, and then it's for nothing.
BLEH.
my void does not want.
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Dennyone
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Sanctity.....Marriage....
Sounds like a comment on religion and the bigotry involved there. I thought in the good 'ol U S of A there was a freedom of religious belief and the implied right of religious disbelief. Well, I for one do NOT want someone forcing their religion on me. Or lack or religion for that matter.
It looks like Oregon passed the definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman. I think I'm gonna be sick:'-( :'-(
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all 11 states that it was proposed in, passed the amendment.
the election, i read, came down to "moral values." not terrorism, not fighting a war in the WRONG freaking country, but "moral values."
because lying, cheating your own country and every OTHER immoral thing this president has done is okay, but not letting two guys or two chicks get married if they want means going to hell. i don't understand that, i just don't. marriage lost it's SACRED-NESS when guys started beating girls or vice versa, and infidelity was a common thread in marriages across the country. this wouldn't have tainted ANYTHING, i don't understand.
i'm so sad and everyone's all "time to move to canada" or "mexico" or "wherever" and here i am, unable to afford doing anything like that, but it took me 4 years to get a job in the country i'm stuck in. E$RH*$YR
my void does not want.
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And now for a Canadian perspecive...
I hear it all the time, "I'll just pack up and more to Canada, they let gays get married there and they have legalized Marijana and they have public healthcare. So i'm here to tell you that none of that is true...at least, not really.
It is true that in some parts of Canada gays can get married. but not everywhere. Currently gay marrige is allowed in BC, Ontario, Qubec, and recently one of the Atlantic provinces but i'm not sure which. Typicaly what happens is a gay couple tries to get married and can't so they take it to the supreme court which rules it unconstitutional to deny them marriage but then the province that the marriage license will be issued in still seems to decide whether they will uphold the ruling. In Albera where i live for instance gays can't get married. Not only that but the provincial government refuses to grant us minority rights and we are therefore not pretected from hate crimes. Also, should my boyfriend get sick and wind up in the hospital i can't visit him becasue i'm not considered family. next door in BC its the exact opposite. So before you move you might want to research that. Now onto healthcare. While it's true that we have a public healthcare system and in theory you should be able to get imidiot help when you get to the hospital, it's poorly underfunded and waiting room times are sometimes 6 hours.
Oh and about the legalized pot...we kinda had that for a while, the federal goverment decriminalized possetion of small amounts for a while then made it ilegal again or something...i'm not quite sure of the details but i do know that those small amounts weren't that small, some of my pot smoking buddies showed me how much it was and i was rather suprised. Whatever the case, it didn't affect me because i don't smoke pot but still it's something i don't think would happen in the states. Canadians tend to be overall more liberal thinking than Americans are so that's why there are these differences between our two countries. Not to mention in Canada when we hold an election a vote counts as a vote, and there is no electoral college. Pluss we have the house of commons and often they broadcast on TV debates between the ruling party and the opposition and sometimes they get really nasty. I have a tape somewhere of former Prime Minister Trudeau in the house of commons having an argument with the oppsostion, they keep arguing something stupid and finaly he gets fed up and calls the leader of the oposition something along the lines of 'you stupud f***er' and fingers him from accross the room. It made me laugh and love my country all at once and i can't even explain why.
Considering the results of the American election all i have to say is that i'm glad i'm not living in the states right now. but that's just my opinion.
Pyro.
Do what you love, changing the world is incidental.
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thanks for the insights there, pyro. 
i'm guilty of saying the "i'll move to canada" line often, however, i live very close to the country and i believe toronto (where i have wanted to move back to ever since my first visit, and then grew OBSESSED after a second trip that was lamely enough inspired by a certain nameless showtime series ::-) ) is about .. ok, i'm going to mess this up, and i'm too lazy to pull up mapquest because i have to go in 5 minutes, but it's something like 6 hours away, 400 miles. so my kid's dad couldn't get his panties in a bunch about seeing her (as is, this weekend'll be week/end #3 if he doesn't call) since it's not THAT far away to make a trip, and they could come up where we are since there'd be more to do there than in our towns of muskegon and grand rapids.
so i guess with me, when i'd use that line, i wasn't thinking outside the box of ontario. it was probably presumptuous of me to think "it's like that everywhere" but i never really did think of those things, beyond my targeted area. so thanks for posting that!
my void does not want.
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this election is not so much that Bush got in--I kind of expected that, and the country will survive another four years of that dumbass...though not without profound damage, i might add.
No, it's the fact that this idiot will be responsible for nominating Supreme Court justices, effecting all our lives with their f*cking right wing bigotry...and so the legacy of our collective stupidity will be with us for years to come.
On a lighter note, it appears that Washington state has elected Christine Gregoire (a dem) as our governor, even if by a narrow margin, and the "recall the monorail" effort went down to ignominous defeat here in Seattle, so it appears that the will of the people will prevail at least in that arena. Meanwhile, we all await the state supreme court decision that will determine the fate of same-sex marriage in our state.
cheers!
aj
"I promise not to try not to fuck with your mind/ I promise not to mind if you go your way and i go mine/promise not to lie if i'm looking you right in your eye/promise not to try not to let you down."
--Eve6
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John_W
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aj, what's happening with the court and the same sex marriage amendment. I must have missed this news story. I thought all 11 passed.
John
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Hey John--
This isn't about an amendment issue. Last spring, the King County executive here in WA invited several same sex couples down to the county court house to apply for marriage licenses, in defiance of a state law prohibiting same. When they were denied, again at the County exec's specific invitation, all six couples filed a joint lawsuit against the county for denying them marriage licenses. Since then, two district courts have ruled in their favor, and the case has been referred to the state supreme court, where it will be ajudicated jointly with another similar case brought in another county. The expectation is that the WA state "Defense of Marriage" law will be struck down when the case is decided. Anything can happen, of course...but in view of the precedents set by recent decisions by the federal supreme court and the fact that one of the decisions already handed down was done so by a supreme court jurist acting in his capacity as a lower court judge...it seems very likely that we'll have the law repealed sometime soon. Then WA will likely face it's own amendment law...but for now it looks pretty positive.
"I promise not to try not to fuck with your mind/ I promise not to mind if you go your way and i go mine/promise not to lie if i'm looking you right in your eye/promise not to try not to let you down."
--Eve6
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First of all, I think it's rather queer how the media refers to "moral values." Do they not mean "morals" or is it Bush's VALUE of morality that is important as opposed to his lack of acting in accordance with such rules?
Secondly, I find it disturbing at the least that he no longer must concern himself with re-election; he can go as nuts as he wants.
Thirdly, this whole ban of "same-sex" marriages is absurd. What about a (totally legal, mind you) marriage involving an intersexed individual? Such events occur without question.
And finally, the notion of "sanctity of Marriage" is EQUALLY if not even MORE absurd, for the “Typical Family” to which these conservatives allude has been a fictional creature since its conception in the fifties. Their idea of normal is based on a system that was anything BUT and that often was the cause of mental illness among many of its participants.
I'm going to sleep now; wake me up in four years.
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