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Choices [message #23253]

Fri, 31 December 2004 16:53

timmy

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I had a revelation today, on the way to London to buy what I hope was a bargain and suspect was not. Anyway enough about my travel and shopping arrangements.

I was thinking about choices. Some of you may know I and a good friend got back in touch recently, and that he had known that i was gay way back in my teens. Until we discussed sexual orientation he had never really understood homosexuality. We talked about "choice" vs "nature", and he understood that, as a choice, being gay sucks, therefore he concedes that it has to be nature. He adds to that the interesting and useful thought that one cannot logically be pilloried for being natural and thus one of the many facets of normality.

Which brings me to my train ride revelation.

I believe that those who accuse us of "choosing to be gay" and who villify us for it have a different agenda. I am speaking as a gay man who has made a choice. My choice is to appear heterosexual.

I believe that those who accuse us of choosing gay as our "lifestyle" are actually those men who are gay, are terrified of it, and have chosen to be heterosexual. And, to defend themselves, they are homophobic, "getting their retaliation in first"

Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School

Re: Choices [message #23254 is a reply to message #23253]

Fri, 31 December 2004 18:12

marc

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From what I have witnessed those that beat the drum loudest beat it for the love of the noise.... not the music.

Those that fear... fear not the beast... but what the beast brings out in them.

Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...

Re: Choices [message #23256 is a reply to message #23253]

Fri, 31 December 2004 20:22

joesdog

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Some perhaps...But i also have a feeling that for many, particularly those of a right wing religious bent, it's a stalking horse that they intend to ride to power--just one more cause to use cynically to gain more of a foothold in the political arena.

cheers!

aj

"I promise not to try not to fuck with your mind/ I promise not to mind if you go your way and i go mine/promise not to lie if i'm looking you right in your eye/promise not to try not to let you down."
--Eve6

Re: Choices [message #23257 is a reply to message #23256]

Fri, 31 December 2004 20:40

timmy

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I'm sure it can become that. I'm still thinking, though, about the "run of the mill" accuser

Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School

Re: Choices [message #23258 is a reply to message #23257]

Fri, 31 December 2004 23:16

marc

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What is "run of the mill"?

Re: Choices [message #23259 is a reply to message #23258]

Fri, 31 December 2004 23:35

timmy

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An old term from the cotton mills of the UK. "Run of the Mill" means literally "whatever comes" and has come to mean "ordinary".

If you bought "the run of the mill" you bought an entire production run, good and bad parts together.

Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School

Re: Choices [message #23260 is a reply to message #23259]

Sat, 01 January 2005 01:00

marc

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If that analogy is to hold any weight then it must include the religous psychopathic zealots as well as the political ambitionists along with the in denial gays.

But i see your point... I have known men who preached anti-gay sentiments all the way to the bath houses.

Re: Choices [message #23265 is a reply to message #23260]

Sat, 01 January 2005 10:28

timmy

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There will always be exceptions. But, if we put it together with the hypothesis that "all men are inherently interested in sex with other men" (whether they wish to do it or not) then I think we come closer to reality Smile

[Updated on: Sat, 01 January 2005 10:28]

Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School

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