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icon7.gif Fox Hunting  [message #1486] Sun, 17 March 2002 17:46 Go to next message
richard lyon is currently offline  richard lyon

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I was looking at the BBC website and I see that there is an upcomming vote in parliament on a motion to ban fox hunting. Is this considered a British constitutional crisis?

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Re: Fox Hunting  [message #1488 is a reply to message #1486] Sun, 17 March 2002 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not really. The Commons will pass it, the Lords will reject it. It goes back to the Commons. It'll probably die there thru lack of parliamentary time.

It's an issue the Govt would like to distance itself from: it's a lose/lose situation. If they ban it, they annoy a lot of people. If the don't, they annoy a lot of people. Which is why it's a private member's bill.
icon5.gif I've heard it said that Britain is the world's oldest democracy...  [message #1489 is a reply to message #1488] Sun, 17 March 2002 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...Except, that perhaps it really isn't. Smile With the lords still firmly in place having a say about the decision-making process, is it REALLY a democracy at all?

How much influence do these stodgy old geezers have, really?

How many of them are women, any at all even?


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Re: I've heard it said that Britain is the world's oldest democracy...  [message #1490 is a reply to message #1489] Sun, 17 March 2002 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Many are women.

The Lords has a place as a delaying tactic and "house of reason". It can send laws back to the commons a finite number of times before it is automatically overruled. It is intended that this house gives elected members time to reflect and reconsider. It is a political house with once ALL hereditary members. Now I think very few are herediary, and the majority are appointed for their lifetime by the government of the day as a thank you for licking its arse.

The Lords can also initiate legistlation, but it MUST go to the commons befroe it is (I think) returned to the Lords, and then signed by the queen (who can technically but not legitimately refuse to sign a law.

The Law Lords (Technically the house of Lords, but all experienced judges) are the ultimate UK court of appeal
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House of Lords

Parliament per se

House of Commons

Boring stuff, I'm afraid. Oh LOADS of openly gay politicians exist in the UK. If "Conservative" (right wing) it is frowned on. If Labour (socialist, kind of) approved of. If a minority party, who cares?
Hunting Foxes  [message #1494 is a reply to message #1491] Sun, 17 March 2002 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've always been against hunting for sport. I learned to ride, and enjoyed that part of it ("English" style riding in the US includes most of the elements of cross-country 'hunt', without the fox).

In the US there's a constitutional right to bear arms. Which I think is sadly out-of-date and should be repealed.

I always say that I support the right to arm bears...



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icon5.gif If it does pass will they have to put the hounds on gov pensions?  [message #1501 is a reply to message #1486] Mon, 18 March 2002 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Hunting Foxes  [message #1512 is a reply to message #1494] Mon, 18 March 2002 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I've been out of circulation for a while.

The best definition of hunting, I reckon, is Oscar Wilde's:

'The English country gentleman galloping after a fox - the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable.'
icon4.gif Wilde - I recently saw that movie... It was great.  [message #1513 is a reply to message #1512] Mon, 18 March 2002 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can't remember the name of the actor playing the lead role, but he's awesome. Simply brilliant, he has such...panache.

The character of Bosie reminded me of another movie starring a young Di Caprio by the way... Not sure what that one's called either. (I'm sure someone here can help me refresh my weak memory.)


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Movies  [message #1516 is a reply to message #1513] Mon, 18 March 2002 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Let's see...a young DiCaprio, with a full frontal nude scene, as well...it was memorable, indeed!

That was "Total Eclipse", in which our young Leonardo played Arthur Rimbaud, the brilliant but seriously f**ked up French poet with an older lover (and lesser writer) called Paul Verlaine. True story, including all the the obsessions and the absinthe...which Wilde also had a taste for at the end.

"Wilde" was played by Stephen Fry, and Bosie was a luscious Jude Law...but we only saw his backside!

God I must be on a roll with the trivia. Just saw Anthony Hopkins in another good Stephen King book turned into film, called "Hearts in Atlantis". Couple of toothsome youths in that one too.



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Re: Movies  [message #1517 is a reply to message #1516] Mon, 18 March 2002 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stephen Fry, yes! That's it! Thank you.

I just loved his performance. I also enjoyed his narration of the giant-fairytale that continued throughout the movie, enjoyed it immensely in fact. He puts such feeling into his voice, it's wonderful to hear.

Jude was excellent as always too. Really talented actor, but he's actually too handsome in my opinion, just like Elijah Wood is too cute. Smile Yes. I'm kinda weird, I agree! Smile

Leo was actually very good in that other movie, he's usually pretty but a bit lacklustre in my own opinion. Here, he did very well. And I don't say that just because we get to gaze a bit on his naked flesh either... Wink

And I'm SO looking forward to 'Hearts in Atlantis', Hopkins is a favorite actor of mine, and King novels usually becomes great movies as long as there's little to no blood/gore in them. ('Shawshank Redemption': one of the best movies ever, 'Dolores Clairborne': a masterpiece. 'Stand by Me': haven't seen anything quite like it.)

I've been hoping for bloody AGES that King and Strauss novel 'The Talisman' also will be made into a movie. I almost worshipped that book when I was younger, and with just a tiny bit of imagination, you have a wonderful tale of boylove in there too. It gave me such moments of pleasure, imagining Jacky and Richard together. Smile

Or maybe a high-budget TV miniseries will be better, there's so much stuff in there that just wouldn't fit in the limited time allotted to a feature film, but that's essential to the overall story. 'The Stand' was pretty decent, so it could work. Could have done without King himself in that one tho'. Smile


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icon9.gif Durn, with kids all I get to see is Mulan and Shrek!  [message #1520 is a reply to message #1517] Tue, 19 March 2002 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Movies  [message #1523 is a reply to message #1517] Tue, 19 March 2002 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lord, I thought I was the only person on Earth who loved the movie "Delores Claiborne". Fantastic...But of course it would have to be with Cathy Bates starring in it. My brother lives in an island community in Maine like the one in that movie.



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icon6.gif What, aren't you allowed to watch films on yer own, there, dude?  [message #1524 is a reply to message #1520] Tue, 19 March 2002 03:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Always forgive your enemies...nothing annoys them quite so much." Oscar Wilde
icon9.gif No fun alone.  [message #1525 is a reply to message #1524] Tue, 19 March 2002 04:02 Go to previous message
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