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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I don't get it.
"Sponge Bob Squarepants promotes homosexuality" was the outcry. But he doesn't
Shark tale has a very fimr message of "love your child when is is not in your image" and is actually very gay. No outcry. And that shark is so gay it ain't true
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I've been thining about Shark tale
The movie is a potential great preparation for coming out to a parent. Make parent watch it, see parentla reaction and then speak.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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I saw that movie, too, and got all the subtext. It is amazing that Disney is being so smart, subtle and open minded in the face of a goverment that is becoming more and more homophobic. Be glad that it is flying under the radar and Sponge Bob is getting the bad reviews by conservative Christians. If parents allow their kids to watch Shark Tale and not watch Sponge Bob I think it would be a great victory for tolerance in the world.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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I'm afraid I haven't seen either film, so I can't really comment on the subtexts. Just a minor point, though: Shark Tale was made by Dreamworks rather than Disney.
I suspect if Shark Tale was by Disney we would have heard a great deal more, as Disney has always taken great care to create "family-friendly" films that avoid any sort of controversy. Dreamworks is known for slightly more risqué, "adult" content.
If you're interested, there are all sort of urban legends that have sprung up about Disney films on the Urban Legends Reference Pages (great site, by the way - snopes.com - if you're looking for something interesting to read for a few minutes/hours):
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/films.asp
If you look at articles like this one (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lionking.htm), you have to wonder - these right wing conservative mothers who notice these "hidden messages" must have pretty dirty minds to see sexual references where nobody else does.
That said, did you know Disney once made a film called "The Story of Menstruation (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/menses.htm)"?
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saben
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I'll concede defeat- however it can't be denied that there was VERY subtle innuendo in "Brother Bear" which definitely IS a Disney film. Just watch the scenes with the two Canadian moose, eh? I think that one was mostly for the benefit of the development team, as a joke, yet it was still there. ALSO Ice Age was another CG film that had some gay references, it is a while since I watched that one, but I still do remember them being there. Let's bring forth the gay agenda unto the corruption of the young! 
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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marc
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All mean nothing... all are nothing more than a matter of wishful expectations on the part of the viewer.
Unless the media in question forthrightfully states that it has a gay theme then it all is nothing more than tilting at windmills.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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It has a theme about difference.
It is as valid for a gay child or a vegetarian child or a mixed race child from a gene a long time ago.
If it had a gay theme it would not be shown to kids. And when it gets shown to kids their parents often watch.
The message is simple. It is "Dad I'm different but I'm still your kid" and it is also "What a fool, I've been. of course I love my kid"
Subliminal messages work. If they did not work they would not be a banned form of advertising.
The film will seep into people's psyches. and that is all it needs to do.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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More than likely, the people that need their psychies seeped into wouldnt be caught dead watching a film such as this.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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You know that is the wonderful thing.
Daddy and Mummy go with kidlets to the cinema and watch a sweetums movie about a vegetarian shark. They do it as a chore. But they dutifully pass popcorn and take kidlets to the toilet.
And the message seeps home all the while.
They didn't go to watch the movie. But the message was on the screen and on the soundtrack
Whne the kidlets hit puberty 90% will be str8. Lucky little blighters. Of the 10% who are specal some of their parents will have the message in their brains and will act on it. It only takes some to generate "some more".
Nations like the UK are far ahead of nations like the USA in accepting gay people. But you are starting to catch up, Bush or no Bush. And we have enclaves of homphobic imbeciles here, like anywhere
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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I totally agree....
The open minded modern parents willing to take their kids to view a film such as this will (probably) be a boon to the gay youth of their near future.
But the open minded modern parents that do take their kids to see this film are the ones that more than likely would accept a gay child anyway.
It is the beer guzzling, skol chewing nose pickers that go to church every sonday that will not go. Will not take their kids for fear of missing a ball game or the running of the grease pit 500 or one more beer.
It is those kids that I fear for....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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You need to see the film. It is an overtly children's film. It's a "Finding Nemo" film, or a "Jungle Book" film. So the message will get into those who never expected it, too,
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Actually I don't need to see the film. I am quite gay friendly.
But it doesnt matter.... you refuse to see the point I am trying to make here so I shall just drop it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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saben
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I don't know exactly what you are trying to say Marc, but as far as I know, even the most intolerant parents will usually let their kids watch cartoons. On the surface that is all Shark Tale is- a simple cartoon. It is not gay-friendly but rather it has a simple message of acceptance that will hopefully promote more gay tolerance in the future.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Probably we are each missing the other's point. When that happens it is best for us each to say what we perceive the other's point to be. Then it is easier to reach understanding.
I think you are saying that "this is a gay film and thus closed minded people would not see it nor woudl they allow their kids to see it"
If that is what you are saying (and I am not now sure it is) then it is not right because the film is inherrently not a gay film.
So help me out here,please.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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what I am trying to say is that the intolerant parents won't watch it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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What I am saying is that the people that would benefit the most from it would never be caught dead watching a cartoon......
Gay, str8, whatever..... thay are far too involved with their own personal red neck lives to partake of "kids stuff"
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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i thought a shark's tale was much prettier than sponge bob. but this comes from a hallucinating hippie, nevermind me hehehe
rodney
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I didn't want to give you a fast answer to this. So I have thought hard.
My parents woudl have benefited from this. And they would have taken me to see it. And it might have seeped in.
It is the best answer I have. All my other answers are hypothesis, and thus irrelevant.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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