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cchd
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Registered: May 2004
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For reasons that may be hard to fathom, work is sending me to the UK for trianing. Even better, I'm being sent to Bristol which is not a million miles away from most of my UK relatives (across the Severn Bridge).
Now whilst I'm working in Bristol it'd be nice to have Internet access (OK, I'd miss you all otherwise  ). I realize I can do dial-up but the hotel is going to charge an arm and a leg for phone calls. I've done some research on wireless hotspots and there seems to be a nice pub not far away from where I'm staying that for pounds 20 will give me access for a month. Is this a good deal, or do you suggest something else?
Whilst making suggestions, what would you visit if you were in Bristol?
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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The pub hotspot sounds perfect. See if the hotel has one too, though. Amnd argue for a good price
What would I visit? I would rent a car and then:- The industrial museum in Bristol Docks
- Avebury and the stone circle there
- The Clifton Suspension Bridge (walk across it)
- Bath and the Roman baths
- Worcester, but only if you pronounce it "wooster"
- Cheddar
- Gloucester
- Anything out of http://www.visitbristol.co.uk/
- Wales - the Gower Coast
And I woudl have to steel myself not to try to see the man who is the boy I fell for all those years ago who lives in Redland, a suburb.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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You can get free internet access in public libraries with free help. You might need to book in advance. It varies across the country.
Worcester is known as 'Wusster' in these rugby-playing heartlands.
Enjoy your stay.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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cchd
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Registered: May 2004
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I think the centre of Rugby is currently a few miles West of Bristol. I've been wearing Red since Sunday 
I'm reasonably up with English pronounciations. I have relatives in Worcester and Berkshire and used to live not far from Derby. Of course, the Australian pronounciation of the town Derby is literal but horse races use the English pronounciation.
When all else fails I just claim to be Australian, but of course when in Wales I'm a Welshman in exile.
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?? But when you're in Wales, how can you be a Welshman in exile??
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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by walking backwards........::-)
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Biologically this is correct, but do we need to be reminded of it all the time? ;-D
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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cchd
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Registered: May 2004
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I have to be a Welshman in exile as my accent no longer has any Welsh sound in it (although if I'm in Wales for a month or two I blend in nicely) and my Welsh understanding is now about zero. It's 35 years since I spent enough time in Wales for my Welsh to return.
Although you wouldn't know it now, English is my second language. I spoke only Welsh until I was 4 or 5 and whilst my parents wanted me to be bilingual (like them) the local doctor (English of course) said it would cause "developmental difficulties". I still dream occasionally in Welsh but it's very frustrating as I don't understand most of the conversation  ??
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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Inter faecem et urinam nascimur ????????????????
If this is latin.... what sourse did you use to gain the spelling and usage?
If it is not latin, then what is it?
The only words I can discern from my sources are "inter" and "et" all the others have close matches but the definitions are resulting in jibberish.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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The language is, indeed, Latin. And one understands it just as one does any other language: if you know it you can read it. If no one else is bold enough to give a translation I shall hide my blushes and do so myself. Naughty Nigel!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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The quote is attributed to St Augustine, and is usually, if inelegantly, translated as "We are born between shit and urine".
It's often used as a reminder of our animal nature, and sometimes used to express the fact that life is all about making choices between unpleasant decisions (compare with "a rock and a hard place", or, for the more classically-inclined among us, Scylla and Charibdis)
As far as I remember, at least - I gave up Latin after 'O' levels (in 1969 ... so I've forgotten most of the subtleties!).
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Ummm - should have said, the nicest 'polite' translation I've seen of this idea is "between waste and water".
NW
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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NW wrote: >>Ummm - should have said, the nicest 'polite' translation I've seen of this idea is "between waste and water".<<
Polite shmolite. It means, as you said, "We are born halfway between shit and piss". :-[ Though to tell the truth, it only makes sense from the point of view of the male anatomy. I wonder whether Augustine had ever seen female genitalia.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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You knew all the Latin words from English: feces, urine, nascent
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Guys, it is indeed a quotation from St Augustine and I prefer the baser translation of 'We are born between shit and piss'. These things sound so much pleasanter in a foreign language. I use it as a reminder of or as an antidote against hubris in the human condition. We may be the top of the natural order of things including the food chain, but physically human beings are still quite base creatures.
I'm flattered that the quotation has drawn so much attention.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Ahhhh, that explains alot.....
the only referances i had was
feceum
feculentia : dregs, lees, impurities, filth.
feculentia : dregs, lees, impurities, filth.
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nascimur
nascor nasci natus : to be born, spring forth.
Urinam... however I can find no referance to..... although it is obvious enough to ascertain its translation.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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I am somewhat a student of early languages and have an array of resources to translate and cross referance many.
Thats why I asked if there were a referance base to the phrase. I would like to add any new resources to my list.
Languages are fun.........;-D
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13796
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Google hits more replies with faeces rather than faecem
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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This is where you need a knowledge of grammar. Faecem (accusative singular) and faeces (nominative and accusative plural) would only appear in the dictionary as faex (nominative singular). Nascimur (We are born) would only appear under nascor (first person singular present), possibly under nasci (infinitive). To add to the confusion nascor is a deponent verb. It only has a passive voice, no active one.
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13796
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Now this is where it gets interesting anbd is doubtless a matter of usage (which term I use correctly).
Cassel's new Latin Dictionary in the 1969 reprint refers to faex faecis, of feminine gender (amusing, since it truly ought to be neuter by any logic). It makes precisley no reference to excrement, and it appears that there is no excrement connotation there at all
There is also the adjective from Faec which if faeceus - a- -um meaning "impure"
Translating the other way, excrement is unsurprisingly excrementum or stercus stercoris.
Dung is stercus and also fimus as is manure.
I suspect we have an example of "dog latin" here created form a euphemism in English
Excrement is not "impure", but is simply the waste product of digestion. In effect it is "used food". But rotting excrement most assuredly is impure. Hence "Faex". Potentially common usage created the plural form of faeces.
I am minded of the inscription around a Roman Night Vessel: "It sapis potandi tisa tinone" - a highly relevant inscription
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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The difficulty with classical Latin is that it covers a period of some 1150 years. Imagine the change in English over the last thousand years. After that it was maintained all over the then known Christian world for another 1600 with of course new words being added and meanings altered. Compare the variations of English in the various parts of the world where it is the official language.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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