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A must read article  [message #24118] Sun, 03 April 2005 18:11 Go to next message
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All the ppl I know involved with HIV are becoming very concerned! Please read the artical it will say more than I could ever say here. I just felt it was time again cuz I never see post about this subject any more.
Don't depress this issue in your minds cuz if ya get HIV then you'll really get depressed!


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/health/03aids.html



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Re: A must read article  [message #24120 is a reply to message #24118] Sun, 03 April 2005 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I note the article's preamble concerns itself with HIV/AIDS as a disease of gay men. Isn't it time the press realised it is a disease of human beings, male and female, straight and gay?

N



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The article itself  [message #24121 is a reply to message #24118] Sun, 03 April 2005 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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AIDS Fighters Face a Resistant Form of Apathy
By ANDREW JACOBS

Published: April 3, 2005

Where have all the condoms gone?

Don't try looking at the Monster, the Hangar, Starlight or Barracuda. On a recent evening, these and more than a dozen other Manhattan gay bars were well stocked with free going-out guides, but not a scrap of literature about H.I.V. prevention or the perils of crystal meth. As for condoms, the frontline defense against sexually transmitted diseases, only one establishment stocked them - behind the bar.

As part of his graduate course work at New York University, Michael Marino set out last winter to compare the AIDS prevention efforts of New York and London. He was troubled by what he found. At most New York bars, and even at some bedrock gay and AIDS service institutions, educational pamphlets and free condoms were hard to find, if not impossible. In London, Mr. Marino found them easily.

"No wonder things are getting so out of control here," he said.

Condoms, which still can be found in vending machines at a handful of places, were once given away by the bucketful. While no one believes free condoms will completely halt the spread of H.I.V., their disappearance from bars, the equivalent of a town hall for some gay men, is a telling indicator of how much steam has been lost in the fight against AIDS.

Although the city health department's recent warning about a rare, possibly more virulent strain of H.I.V. has caused a stir among gay men, many AIDS activists hold out little hope the news will prompt substantial or lasting changes in behavior. They point to the continued popularity of methamphetamine, which has contributed to a rise in condomless intercourse, known as barebacking, and the widespread apathy in which H.I.V. is seen as a nuisance, not a potential killer.

Compounding this laissez-faire attitude, they complain, are drug company advertisements that gloss over the disease's effects by portraying patients as the picture of perfect health.

Locally, at least, the statistics paint a mixed picture. The number of new H.I.V. infections among men who have sex with men declined slightly from 2001 to 2003, according to the most recent figures available, although in much of the country that number has been rising. But AIDS service providers, pointing to a recent spike in syphilis cases and the rise of methamphetamine abuse among gay men, fear it is only a matter of time before New York faces a new surge in infections.

The challenge is far more complicated than handing bar patrons informational brochures and telling them to be good, prevention specialists say.

"Just because folks are well informed doesn't mean they'll necessarily make the wisest choices in terms of their health," said Dr. Ronald O. Valdiserri, who oversees AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "This is true of all humanity, not just gay men."

The reality that gay men continue to have unprotected sex has been vexing health experts for 20 years, although the struggle became even more daunting in the mid-1990's, when a new class of medications sharply reduced death rates and fed the misconception that AIDS is only about as troublesome as the flu.

And then there are those who disdain condoms. With the specter of imminent death gone, the idea of using condoms has become an annoyance for many. "Let's face it, sex with a condom is not as good," said Dr. Robert L. Klitzman, a psychiatrist and professor at Columbia University. "Sex is supposed to be an incredibly intimate moment, and it's not as intimate when there's a piece of plastic between you and your partner."

There is a growing sense that the traditional sloganeering about condoms and club drugs is about as effective as birth-control campaigns that rely on abstinence. The only hope for changing behavior, public health experts and psychologists say, is to recognize and address the underlying factors that propel men into risky situations. Loneliness, alienation and self-hatred, they say, are the real culprits that need to be addressed.

But others, describing such talk as naïve, say it makes more sense to stress personal responsibility. Demonize crystal meth, stigmatize unprotected sex and remind people that living with H.I.V. can be grueling, or worse. An important first step, they say, would be to stop running pharmaceutical ads that portray people with AIDS as carefree and virile.

Other ideas include following the lead of the San Francisco health department, which is seeking strict limitations on the availability of erectile dysfunction drugs that counteract the impotence induced by crystal meth and encourage the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

Many AIDS activists in New York, describing current public service campaigns as toothless and ineffective, say bus ads and billboards should remind people that AIDS is a devastating and entirely avoidable illness.

Many prevention advocates agree that only a creative, ever-changing arsenal of tactics can reduce the number of new H.I.V. infections. They point out that it has taken years and millions of dollars to change public attitudes about tobacco and seat belts, and even now reasonable people lapse into old ways.

"Everyone knows smoking is bad for you, but we still print those health warnings on cigarette packs," said Kwame M. Banks, a consultant specializing in prevention work. "People need to hear these messages 100 times a day. That's the way these things work."

Still, when it comes to H.I.V. and AIDS, some wonder whether it is time for a new strategy. Perry Halkitis, a psychologist at New York University who studies the relationship between drug use and sex, believes that many gay men who engage in risky behavior are grappling with profound mental health issues.

"People are not taking risks because they're stupid, or because they wake up one day and say, 'I'm going to take a risk today,' " Dr. Halkitis said. "They do it because the sexual risk fulfills a need, or somehow makes them feel better about themselves."

He and others say any successful fight against H.I.V. must deal with depression, substance abuse and low self-esteem, problems that studies have shown affect gay men at disproportionately higher rates.

"Many people might argue that as a community, we suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder because we're so ostracized by society," Dr. Halkitis said. "Being rejected by family, by our churches, and these days by our government most certainly has an impact."

That emotional fragility has been compounded by the trauma of the 1980's and early 90's, when sickness and death permeated the lives of so many. Peter Staley, a veteran AIDS activist, said it was no coincidence that some of the first people in New York to pick up crystal meth habits have been men 35 to 45 years old.

"We are the long-term survivors who watched friends die, who never thought we'd live to have a midlife crisis," said Mr. Staley, who is H.I.V.-positive and himself a recovering meth addict. "Then the new medications came along, and suddenly everyone returned to their old lives and people moved on to other issues, like gays in the military and gay marriage. Where was the communal processing of the emotional hell we had just gone through? I think as a result we're a deeply scarred group."

While such scars can lead to substance abuse, psychologists say the internalized homophobia and deep-seated feelings of low self-worth are just as powerful. That is where the allure of crystal meth kicks in. Those who have used the drug say it tends to blot out feelings of vulnerability, boosts self-confidence and imbues them with a false sense of connection to strangers.

Then there are the "bug chasers," H.I.V.-negative men who actively seek infection. Although such men are thought to be few in number, mental health experts say the phenomenon reflects the intense alienation that many gay men feel. Louis Pansulla, a psychoanalyst who runs gay therapy groups in New York, said younger men, in the generation that missed the darkest days of the AIDS crisis, believe that infection will win them membership into a clique, albeit one coping with a dreaded disease.

"It's almost a longing to belong, even though it's a completely unconscious thing," he said.

Michelangelo Signorile, the host of a gay-themed talk show on Sirius Satellite Radio, takes a less nuanced view: "If everyone in your group is beautiful, taking steroids, barebacking and H.I.V. positive, having the virus doesn't seem like such a bad thing."

It is for that reason that Michael Weinstein, president of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, believes the disease is due for an image makeover. He cites a hard-to-miss ad in last month's Out magazine that is embedded with a tiny audio chip and features two robust men on a beach. Opening the magazine sets off the trill of a ringing phone and a man's voice essentially saying he is having too much fun to worry about his chronic illness. Mr. Weinstein has asked the ad's sponsor, Bristol-Myers Squibb, to stop using the ad for the drug, Reyataz. A spokeswoman said the company was re-examining its advertising campaigns.

"People are in such denial about how serious H.I.V. is," Mr. Weinstein said. "Unfortunately, the best prevention is seeing people die."

Of course, frontline prevention workers hope to avoid a new wave of deaths. At Gay Men's Health Crisis, prevention workers are planning a series of events that seek to promote "connectedness and community."

Others are creating antidrug messages that masquerade as packets of meth that can be dropped on dance floors. A series of subway ads unveiled by the state for the first time shifts responsibility to those who are already infected.

And then there are people like Daniel Carlson, a former marketing executive who became so disgusted by the number of men soliciting unprotected sex online that he and a friend started a group to combat the prevailing ethos about sex and drugs. In the past two years, the group, H.I.V. Forum, has organized a half-dozen town hall meetings on crystal meth and unprotected sex that have drawn packed houses.

"I know it sounds touchy-feely, but if we could just emphasize a little bit more community and brotherhood," Mr. Carlson said. "We have to decide whether we're going to be selfish or whether we're going to care about one another."

[Updated on: Sun, 03 April 2005 20:27]




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Re: A must read article  [message #24122 is a reply to message #24120] Sun, 03 April 2005 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your so right Nigel. It is a world wide pandemic and crosses every line. Just this last week there was an article in the back waters of the news about how even Russia see it as a threat to it's security, Not to mention what it's doing to sub Saharan Africa and South East Asia

Rich



People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
It's a good article...... but......  [message #24124 is a reply to message #24121] Sun, 03 April 2005 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It doesn't really make mention of those within the gay community that act responsibly with reguard to sex and abstinance reguarding drugs.

Being pidgeon holed into a category by ones peers is just as bad as being forced there by the religous right.

I also have to take issue to the referance that bars are akin to town halls to gay men.

Kind of makes us all look like a pack of drinking too much drogged up poke anyone in sight long, deep, hard and repetedly psychopaths.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: It's a good article...... but......  [message #24125 is a reply to message #24124] Sun, 03 April 2005 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would say more sociopathic, sadly I think as a group we tend to exibit more of these tendancies than the general population, and that more as a form of self defence than anything else.

I think that's one of the better points in the article. Being in denial in any way is not going to do good with a problem of this scope. The point being, though there are those that act resposibly the numbers indicate there are many that do not.

What really erks me is that a big part of the problem is with those of us with HIV that are acting most irresposibly, as you know in the state I live in it is the law that I inform any potitial sexual partner of my + status, to my mind this shouldn't even have to be a law but a matter of course, if you know, how could you not inform them, although I can understand why some would not want to tell. We are pidgeon hold.



People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
Re: It's a good article...... but......  [message #24126 is a reply to message #24125] Sun, 03 April 2005 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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In your state do you have to infomr your partner of other STIs or is it just HIV? And is this law for all types of relationship?

I agree that good manners is fundamental. I also believe that today's sexual adventurers, young people especially since they are immortal, shoudl have regular sexual health audits. And when changing to a new partner that the two shoudl have a mutual audit.

However, while my own son hears me i suspect he has never had such an audit in his life



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Re: A must read article  [message #24127 is a reply to message #24122] Mon, 04 April 2005 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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One of the issues with HIV in less developed nations is ignorance. And that ignorance is compounded by faiths that prohibit condoms and preach chastity.

But the problem is that sex is a cash crop. Given the choice of "Sell my body or have my family starve" the answer is simple. Paying for a condom from the small sum I can charge is potentially impososble. And thus the world contracts HIV.

Additionally systematic rape of vanquished opponents is used as a weapon of war. It has ever been thus and ever will be. HIV is spread by this, and often the threat is there before the battle. Africa is not alone in this. The various nations that made up Yugoslavia and Albania experienced this particular horror.



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Re: It's a good article...... but......  [message #24129 is a reply to message #24126] Mon, 04 April 2005 01:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is just for HIV and only when and if you are going to actualy have sex, so when I've meet some one that I am attracted to and there seems to be the posibilty of it becoming more intimate I make it a part of my conversation, LOL before we make it to the bedroom or ummm where ever Razz.
A case in point is a recent experience I had. My haveing HIV was not an issue but when we discused STD's it was noted that the other person had genetal herp., and we decided for my safty that we should forgo sex and just keepthe frienship as it was.

I agree with you if anyone is or has been sexualy active it's time to have a sexual health audit. I like the way you put that.

Here in the US you can get, free or minimal, cost test for STD's, when you do they will test you for all not just HIV. I know how it is guys. I mean I went through it. I would find myself thinking "geeze what if some I know sees me going into a place like that ". Well, better to be able to say i was just going in to get tested to protect myself and loved ones than to have go several times a year because I and my partner didn't.

Awarness is always going to be your best protection



People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
A good site to check out if you have questions  [message #24132 is a reply to message #24118] Mon, 04 April 2005 17:57 Go to previous message
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http://www.mydna.com/health/sexual/aids



People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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