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Ok, I am not going to spoil Grasshopper's thread. But I have a question:
Blue, what do you mean by this statement you have placed in it: "Personally, I would prefer and would love to see him at another site, with more options for himself. "? You have placed it in at least two messagebaords now.
What, precisely, do you feel the restrictions are here? An author who wrte freely and chose to give his work for publicatin to just one site while he was writing creates his own restrictions. I impose none as webmaster save ONLY that the story must catch my heart.
So, let us be clear. Any author on my site may, at his free choice, publish where he pleases. Equally, at my choice I do not take every story an author writes. For those authors who wish it I provide POP/SMTP and Webmail email services at no cost to them, all at cost to me. There have been some imbeciles who have suggested that I read and censor those emails! To those I say: "I do not. Why would I be interested anyway?" I have better things to do. I don;t want their emails clutteirng up my server anyway, so I encourage them to use email clients that download regularly
You perceive something different, and you hint at it. And you did this "in plain sight" but behind my back. And the hint is quite nasty. Yet my perception of you is as a kind, caring person. All our email correspondence in the past has been caring. And you have not chosen to bring this veiled allegation to me by email, but have published it instead in two forums. Why is that?
If you detect irritation here, you have judged it correctly. I am currently grieving for the loss of a great friend, let alone a wonderful author, and then I see snide behaviour like this. I have been more than restrained in this post to make sure it is not seen as a flame.
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I'm afraid Blue, that your remark has somewhat irritated me as well, for two reasons. Sad
Firstly, because by what you have said you evidently didn't know Jamie that well. I suppose that's forgiveable, given that he is quite a private person and doesn't let all and sundry know what goes on in his life.
I don't know him half as well as some, but he did confide a few bits of knowledge to me, which I very much doubt he'd mind me sharing. One was that he had decided that he would NEVER post his stories anywhere but IOMFATS.org.
So I am afraid that scotches your idea that perhaps someone might persuade him to do otherwise. Sorry, but it would never happen.
And why? Point two, which he told me personally in a private email. He has such respect for Tim as a friend, mentor and confidant, that no one could ever shake that.
So no, no one ever put pressure on him to make him stay at IOMFATS. The only pressure he had was from people trying to tempt him to post elsewhere. He stayed there purely and simply because he WANTED to, because there he felt he was among friends and in A PLACE OF SAFETY.
He had other issues which I would never divulge, and I know Timmy never would either.
Both of us considered him a great friend and we miss him terribly. They say pride is a bad thing, but personally, I'm proud to have known him even a little, thanks.
So please, let's here no more of this "Why not elsewhere" type attitude. Let's be grateful he allowed Timmy to keep his stories posted. It would be a terrible shame if future readers were deprived of them.
Mike.g
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Hi Tim and welcome to AwesomeDude.
You know, I had read the thread on Grasshopper's departure and didn't even remember Blue's line about options. So when I saw your lengthy comment on it, I have to confess I was forced to go back and reread it.
Of course, you are right and you did foster young Grasshopper and encouraged him and are to take a lot of credit for bringing his considerable talents to the public.
I know how you must feel having the lad go off into the sunset after having him as a virtual part of your family for these years. I just hope that you don't let that oversensitize you right now.
Blue is the caring and helpful person you characterize him as being and I -for one- can't quite connect the dots between him wishing out loud that Grasshopper might seek a wider audience and "some imbeciles who have suggested that I read and censor those emails!"
Of course, I have enjoyed Grasshopper's writing for quite some time and while I would have dearly loved to have had him here at AwesomeDude, <he actually did ask us to post one of his stories here> I have refrained from asking him to join us or even to link to his stories at your site out of professional courtesy. I do maintain a link to your site on our links page, however, and discussion of his stories has always been welcome in the AwesomeDude Forums.
We're all going to miss Grasshopper and his stories... and we all look forward to the time when he resurfaces. And we all thank you for having brought him to us.
By the way, I was going to write and do this but I'll do it publicly... best of luck on your new enterprise PartnerMine.com!
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I appreciate the thoughts you have expressed here. It was seeing it once that surprised me. Seeing it twice iritated the bejasus out of me.
I am glad Blue is precisley as I had always expected he was. He had never seemed any different until I read those two posts.
I think your post shows sufficient evidence that Grasshopper was perfectly capable of making his own decisions unhampered by any friends of his, don't you?
I apologise if I made an implied connection between blue and the email remarks. They are not linked. They are merely an unhappy coincidence. They actually were both germane to Grasshopper. Blue has never accused me of that, though someone else has.
I am perfectly happy to have his tales linked to. The more the merrier. The correct place is the index page for his stories, not an individual story. While the underlying structure of the site may change, the basic directory structure remains the same.
I have no idea if he will return. I doubt it. I see him spreading his wings and having the life he has always needed. Part of me is rejoicing, the other part is finding it tough as hell, for he was my friend. Is my friend.
Long after he has settled in I hope for a letter from him. He hopes to send me the concluding chapters of Just Hit Send by post. He may have his pc, but he has no internet connection nor the prospect of one for the foreseeable future. The money has to go into the ranch, not to an ISP. And his every waking hour is pretty much to be taken up helping his daddy.
And thank you for the good wishes regarding http://partnermine.com We are tracking slower than I would have hoped, but steady progress is better than a burnout
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I can't understand how what Blue said was a snide remark.
The snide remarks seem to coming from the other side of the pond.
Blue was merely stating his opinion and a careful reading of that opinion would be that the more sites that had Grasshoppers works the more people could read some really great storys.
What difference is it who knew grasshopper better unless
someone was looking for his share of fame by being a hanger on?
Blue is one of the kindest and gentlest people I've ever met and I think he is owed an appology for the implications he was taking part in soome sneaky underhanded attack on another site.
Codey
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Gentlemen. gentlemen, I'm sure this must be a big misunderstanding.
When I first read Blue's reply the first thing I thought was that he wanted Grasshopper either having his own site or posting his stories in more site . I didn't think that was a snide remark, but now, well, I guess it can be seen that way.
I must be very careful to phrase my words then.
IOMFATS, your site is cool man. I like it there. You have great stories and I really2x hope this misunderstanding will be resolved in due time.
BTW, IOMFATS what do you think of Jamie's last message. He said "..in a long while.." do you think he'll return?
Cheers!
RAd
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quote: Originally posted by codeyspen:
I can't understand how what Blue said was a snide remark.
The snide remarks seem to coming from the other side of the pond.
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I think he is owed an appology for the implications he was taking part in soome sneaky underhanded attack on another site.
I suggest you let him speak for himself.
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quote: Originally posted by Rad:
IOMFATS what do you think of Jamie's last message. He said "..in a long while.." do you think he'll return?
RAd
You know I hope so. But I think the probabilities are against it. He has a great family who love him. He has a whole new life opening up to him. The horizons are so wide that I think he will see that this internet thing is not real life. And he will grow, and soar.
Maybe one day we'll see a book in a store and recognise a style. Or perhaps a film with two boys, one a sk8r and the other chairbound. And we'll wonder if that was "our Grasshopper".
I do know he will try to finish Just Hit Send. He's said he will use snail mail to get it to me. We're privileged, I think, that he left his stories to us when he left the net.
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OK folks... I agree with Rad. I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here and as folks of good will, I think it is time for Tim and Blue to discuss it among themselves OFF LINE, as befitting the gentlemen they are.
Blue has been observing the standing rule we have here at AwesomeDude of not getting into public arguments so that is undoubtedly why he has not commented here.
Let's let Blue and Tim sit down to tea now and talk it over amongst themselves.
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I have no objection to that. I think we should then post the resolution. My email address is on my site. I check hotmail every couple of days
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I won't appologise for defending my friend. I assumed since you chose to make your displeasure public you were wanting public feedback.
Codey
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quote: Originally posted by codeyspen:
I won't appologise for defending my friend. I assumed since you chose to make your displeasure public you were wanting public feedback.
Codey
Yes, Codey. But not from you. The feedback I want has been suggested to be OFFLINE, and from blue. All your contribution does is to inflame.
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That last post of mine was the warning... this is the end of it !
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