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Famous Gays 2  [message #24481] Sun, 29 May 2005 11:37 Go to next message
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This one is easy, so apart from her name we would want to know the names of her gay-connected novels, with a note about your personal opinion of each one. This will help people who have not read them yet to get to know them.

Here she is:
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Re: Famous Gays 2  [message #24485 is a reply to message #24481] Sun, 29 May 2005 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Easy, HAHA. At first i thought it might be Margaret Mead, but no it's not her.
If you'd like to find some very enlighting info on gender rolls in "primitive" soceities, I reccomend Ms Mead's books. She's the bomb hehe.



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Re: Famous Gays 2  [message #24486 is a reply to message #24481] Sun, 29 May 2005 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never knew she was gay. I just thought she was a rather compelling author. I also heard she was a pupil of Tolkien



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Re: Famous Gays 2  [message #24488 is a reply to message #24486] Sun, 29 May 2005 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not sure what she considered herself to be sexualy. For me she just opened the door to seeing ourselves as simply humans with all the alternatives that implies.
Man, what a revelation that was to lift the old cultural blinders and find that my sexualy alternative desires were not at all deviant.
I just ask my roommate, though he wasn't at Columbia Univ.during her tenure, he too seems to remember, as do I that in her later life she did tend toward the alternative though nieither of us remember her saying so out right.



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Re: Famous Gays 2  [message #24489 is a reply to message #24488] Sun, 29 May 2005 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For me they were books I could read and tall my mother they were historical novels Smile



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Sorry, but it's NOT Margaret Mead  [message #24492 is a reply to message #24485] Mon, 30 May 2005 04:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Yes, she was a student of Tolkien  [message #24493 is a reply to message #24486] Mon, 30 May 2005 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But her writing took a very different turn.



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Time for a larger clue?  [message #24498 is a reply to message #24481] Mon, 30 May 2005 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There was a recent movie about the period she wrt eher novels about. The ancient world, where kings ruled and conquered and battled. And one that she wrote about, albeit not in the title of the book, was a great and youthful general who had what must have been the ugliest horse ever.



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So who here has read he rbooks?  [message #24508 is a reply to message #24481] Tue, 31 May 2005 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And which is your favourite?

I think we may all know her, but not her picture. And pciture research is very hard to do.

Wikipedia has a good deal to say about her and is worth a read.

The answer is Mary Renault



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OK! It IS Mary Renault!  [message #24509 is a reply to message #24508] Tue, 31 May 2005 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, now, what do we know about her?



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Re: OK! It IS Mary Renault!  [message #24511 is a reply to message #24509] Wed, 01 June 2005 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Surprisingly little, perversely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Renault is a starting point, but there is no clue about the gay nature of her "ancient works" in the article

Thrre is a fairly industrial site at http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Renault/renault.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0841523.html is a little "better"

I am coming to the conclusion that real information here is scarce



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Re: OK! It IS Mary Renault!  [message #24512 is a reply to message #24511] Wed, 01 June 2005 14:57 Go to previous message
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A rather comprehensive article about Mary Renault can be found here:

http://www.outuk.com/index.html?http://www.outuk.com/content/features/alexander/

Her most famous "gay" books are the Alexander trilogy (Fire from Heaven, The Persian Boy, Funeral Games). "The Charioteer" is a magnificent novel which I recommend to anyone who has not read it. (I have read it three times!) "The Last of the Wine" is also a very good novel about life in Athens in the time of Socrates - it's about a young Athenian, Alexis, and his b/f, Lysis. (I have read it twice!)

Enjoy.



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