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This one might prove to be difficult. Clues will be offered if no one guesses correctly.
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The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: A new famous gay person to identify  [message #25207 is a reply to message #25206] Sun, 10 July 2005 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The archetypal naughty boy. He even - apparently - had piercing blue eyes!

When I was 14 I admired this poet so much that it's almost as though I had a crush on him. The amazingly direct physicality of his poems (even in translation, as my French isn't really up to the nuances of the originals). His scandalous life, from living with his older lover (Verlaine), quarrelling with and being shot by him, to abandoning poetry (at 19 - leaving a lasting legacy) and ending up as a gun-runner in the Middle East and Abyssinia.

The first poem I came across - attributed jointly to him and Verlaine - shows the intense imagery and the desire to take things on their own terms - quite often degenerating into relishing shock value - that is so typical: the first few lines in translation...

> SONNET TO THE ASSHOLE
> Dark, puckered hole: a purple carnation
> that trembles, nestled among the moss (still wet
>With love) ....



Arthur Rimbaud (1854-91).

Damn, I think I still have a kind of crush on him!



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Re: A new famous gay person to identify  [message #25208 is a reply to message #25207] Sun, 10 July 2005 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bravo! Your turn.



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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One last thought. If you would like to read the "Sonnet a le trou du cul" in the original.....

http://www.azurs.net/arthur-rimbaud/rimbaud_textes_123.htm



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: A new famous gay person to identify  [message #25211 is a reply to message #25210] Sun, 10 July 2005 13:16 Go to previous message
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JFR wrote:
> One last thought. If you would like to read the "Sonnet a le trou du cul" in the original.....
>
> http://www.azurs.net/arthur-rimbaud/rimbaud_textes_123.htm

Thanks for that link - I only had the translation to hand (quite a lot of my books at the moment are stored at my mothers place: inevitably, the ones it turns out that I need are not among the couple of thousand I have found room for in my flat!).



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