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And another ...  [message #25213] Sun, 10 July 2005 13:59 Go to next message
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Also a european, another writer capable of portraying scenes of amazing physicality (in prose this time), although often with a degree of violence not to my taste: nearly as much of a thug as this picture makes him look! Capable of showing scenes of unexpected tenderness as well though - often in the aftermath of brutality.
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"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: And another ... losing track  [message #25214 is a reply to message #25213] Sun, 10 July 2005 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm beginning to lose track of who we've already "had" !

So I thought it would be useful to do a summary: a quick troll (or do I mean trawl) through back posts has come up with the following list: if I've missed / mis-spelled / mis-identified anyone please correct me.

Auden, W. H.
Baldwin, James
Bogarde, Dirk
Bramble, Wilfred
Britten, Benjamin
Burr, Raymond
Carpentier, Edward
Coward, Noel
Davies, Russel T.
da Vinci, Leonardo
Frank, Barney
Ferber, Edna
Harty, Russel
Keynes, John Maynard
Liberace
Mann, Thomas
Nisus & Euryalus
Proust, Marcel
Renault, Mary
Rimbaud, Arthur
Saint-Saens, Camille
Strayhorn, Billy
Tchaikovsky
Turing, Alan
Whitman, Walt
Wilde, Oscar
Williams, Kenneth
Williams, Thomas Lanier ("Tennessee")
Wyngarde, Peter



"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: And another ...  [message #25215 is a reply to message #25213] Sun, 10 July 2005 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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its not gore vidal is it?



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: And another ...  [message #25216 is a reply to message #25215] Sun, 10 July 2005 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marc wrote:
> its not gore vidal is it?

No - somone rather less ... patrician.



"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: And another ...  [message #25220 is a reply to message #25213] Sun, 10 July 2005 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Soemthing is screaming Graham Greene at me. But he wasn't gay, was he?



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Re: And another ...  [message #25223 is a reply to message #25220] Sun, 10 July 2005 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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timmy wrote:
> Soemthing is screaming Graham Greene at me. But he wasn't gay, was he?

Green wasn't gay as far as I know ... and it isn't him. Right timeframe though. The guy we're looking for was born just a few years after Greene, and died just a few years before him.



"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: And another ...  [message #25229 is a reply to message #25213] Mon, 11 July 2005 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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W.H. Auden?



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: And another ...  [message #25230 is a reply to message #25229] Mon, 11 July 2005 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Regtreetably we have had Auden. Altogether more weatherbeaten, I am afriad.



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Re: And another ... Ok, some clues  [message #25231 is a reply to message #25230] Mon, 11 July 2005 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Author, playwright, poet: much of his early life was spend as a vagabond, petty thief, having sex for money ... and his earlier books relect this setting obsessively (his first poems and novel were written in prison).

When threatened with a life sentence, he was saved by the intervention of several luminaries including Jean Cocteau, Pablo Picasso and Jean-Paul Sartre (who later cannonised him).
Probably the foremost exponent of the view of men who have sex with men as outsiders (it seems somehow impertinent to call his characters 'gay', or even 'homosexual').

Apparently, his books were banned in the US in 1951, although by 1970 he was able to visit the USA for several months, and was associated with the Black Panthers. The last decades of his life were largely spent in political activities, often on behalf of Arabs living in France (and elsewhere).

This guy was a major influence on me as a teen: eventually, it was my rejection of his view of the gay man as an outsider that triggered my coming out and activism towards helping establish a place for gay men within society-at-large.


Photos mostly show him in later life (like the one I initially posted), but here is a much younger one dating from his time in prison.



"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
Re: And another ... Ok, some clues  [message #25233 is a reply to message #25231] Mon, 11 July 2005 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This could not possibly be Jean Genet, could it? I mean the one who wrote "Le Miracle de la Rose"?



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: And another ... Ok, some clues  [message #25234 is a reply to message #25233] Mon, 11 July 2005 12:39 Go to previous message
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JFR wrote:
> This could not possibly be Jean Genet, could it? I mean the one who wrote "Le Miracle de la Rose"?

Jean Genet it is.

Over to you again.


NW



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