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marc
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There has been a long standing (unsaid) tradition here of steering away from the more volitle issues in both these areas of debate.
Mostly because these two subjects when conversed with a sprinkling of emotion can become ascerbic at best.
There are far too many creeds in both areas worldwide and we are too far flung to become embroiled in heated discussions or close debates.
Our mission here is support, advice, direction and friendship.
Let's not loose sight of that.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Fair point Marc.
I'll shut up on the 'why do religions ..' thread now.
As for the other - for me, politics is an issue thing that includes the (non-)issue of sexual orientation. But I will try to bear in mind the possible effect of my on lurkers/irregular posters and others.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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Issues such as sexual orientation and basic sivil liberties are what we are here to debate.... advocate even...
We just are too delicate a group... too fragile a community to let deep issues pry us apart.
There is some degree of solice in the solidarity we exhibit. It is that peace that emits a welcoming aura and thus allows the more timid to open up.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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The post on religion was prompted by matty, the young man from Utah.
It led me to look at religions, plural. The only one I know is christinaity, and I am genuinely looking for more insight.
The thread is by no means to debate religion, for that is futile. But I have truly an interest in learning.
The thread may die a natural death, I think, that is no issue. My intent is not to attack, but to understand. With understanding comes the ability to make informed choices, for one deity is much like another. I woudkl appreciate it;s continuing as far as it will provided always that no animosity arrises.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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OK...... Let me make myself clear.....
My post here was intended to spotlight the "reminder" thread.....
I mentioned religion purely as an addition because well,,,,, we've been thru that wringer as well.
Debate for or about an insight which leads to enlightened thought or as an evolution to a point in a logical progression toward a measure of conclusion is never a bad thing.....
Where we continually fall short is our ability to keep personalities out of the equasion. We do little to help anyone, ourselves as well as those not as apparent, (being lurkers here), when we allow ideologies as well as politics to impede the true issues that continually plague us.
Of course points of religion as well as politics will creep into the frey because those social mechanisms continually inflict their views as well as their muscle to interfere with social progress for GLBT peoples as a global community. These are the times when we need to raise our hackles and make ourselves heard.
So Don't confuse the issues we need to address with the ones that are poised to confound us.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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It seesm to me that both this thread and that thread carry an identical message.
>As the perpetrators of the London incident start to turn out to be islamic fundamentalist British citizens with no links to terrorism known I want to make the point, please, that this board tolerates all races, creeds and orientations. I would not like us to even consider, and I am sure we will not consider, singling any group of people for abuse.
That is a very simple message. It says "Stay away from this topic". You will remember that we had a post about islamic headgear on the same day as the incident that was both tasteless and offensive. I removed it.
It reminds us that all are welcome here. Though, to be fair, those who commit crimes are not.
You say
>Where we continually fall short is our ability to keep personalities out of the equasion. We do little to help anyone, ourselves as well as those not as apparent, (being lurkers here), when we allow ideologies as well as politics to impede the true issues that continually plague us.
That is true. We do. We all have ideologies and we all let them get in the way. We should not, but we do. However an attitude against a particular ideology, vehemently expressed, is more "in the way" than an ideology itself.
That is hard to reconcile, though, with a genuine distaste for brainwashing movements like ex-gay ministries. The tightrope is a hard one to walk.
Do we now refrain from criticising Zach's father and the Love in Action program? Do we refrain from criticising regimes in some African nations who declare that no-one in their nation is homosexual, and set about making sure that is a truth in evil ways? Do we refrain from criticising those who oppose same gender civil unions?
I'm not asking those questions as a tub thumping orator, I am just pointing at the line and showing that it is a wavy line.
The thread on religion. It is not to debate religion, but your post seems to have killed it. It had probably run its course anyway, since it had become bogged down with christianity (which seems apart form judaism to be the sole religion that any of us belong to). I think it is a shame that we have no-one who understands other religions; learning more from a practising hindu, muslim, buddhist or sikh would be enlightening.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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As I neither have the time not the energy to argue this (now an issue) with you I will just recluse myself.
I guess it is easier (read practicle) to just keep my opinions to myself.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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