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Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I am amazed by the current results
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Why???????????
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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i was shocked at them too. then again, some of us women (who should've been men) can actually, successfully, make a gay man happy.
rowr!
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
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timmy
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It seems to prove that heterosexuality is a choice!
Seriously, though, the vast majority of gay men who have answered this poll have had a neutral or positive experience making love to a woman. I think that shows great openmindedness, if nothing else.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Or desparation.......
Personaly, I find the meer notion of it utterly revolting......
YUK........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Oh my yes!!!
To me it is a thing that just plain never occured to me as an option.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Personaly, I find the meer notion of it utterly revolting......
To me it is a thing that just plain never occured to me as an option.
Surely in order to be revolted by it you must have considered it as an option?
Not picking holes, just trying to understand.
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I have to say I see this just as a sociological aberration, after all we live in a world that demands of us a norm that is truly not normal.
As a result some of us give it a try and as the old CSN song goes “if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one your with.” As with my case the experiences I had were not just experiments with prostitutes but with women I cared for and whom cared for me, though in the final analyses I am more comfortable and happy with the emotional and physical company of men. So I can say with out a doubt I know which side my bread is buttered. : )
Now if we lived in a world where Alternative sexual behaviors were the norm your poll would indeed surprise me. IMHO if people were more truthful about their sexual desires and actual sexual activity I think it would be more an equal Bell Curve rather than the Unequal Bell Curve society insist it is. So to me your poll just reinforces my theory to my mind.
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marc
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Well, I took biology and related courseload in school....
I got to see what the thing looked like....
I said to myself..... Self..... I would never stick my (you know what) in that!
I have seen segments of various videos and could not concieve why someone would get down there and do the things they do there!
So, you see, my adversion is not so much a response to consideration as it is to imperical observation.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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a major paradox is that, for those interested in anal sex, the anus, while aestehtically more "finished" than the vagina, does contain some pretty gross material unless scrupulous hygiene is observed.
And yet, while I was trying so hard to be straight, whehn I looked at explicit porn it was never the vaginal shots that interested me much. Where the entire region was presented it was always the anus. I truly read the articles!
When I first saw gay porn I found pictures of anal sex difficult (this had to be my upbringing, because I always had anal fantasies - it was just seeing it for the first time was an odd experience), though adored the male body in all its glory.
An interesting question on pondering that is "Are gay men anally erotic?" By this I mean are we driven by an orifice, or a gender? Or I think that is what I mean.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Thank you, Timmy, for putting me off sex for life!
eeeeeeeeeeeuuuurgh
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timmy
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How does that put you off sex for life?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Er...
The implication that there is anything aesthetic about the anus, except as regards its function... it's not designed as a sex organ, and in fact is a very poor one (witness the spread of diseases like AIDS).
Also the implication that all gay men are necessarily obsessed with it...
Personally, I find the idea of anal sex repulsive. And I feel dirty just talking about it. (Which is not really surprising, if you know my history.)
I prefer my love Platonic, thank you very much.
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timmy
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They are much neater than a vagina, and have the most amazing sensiory receptors outside and inside 
The HIV element is interesting but a side issue. Safe sex is required anally or vaginally. The vaginal lining is mucous membrane as well and allows the HIV infective agents to pass through its walls even if they are undamaged.
Additionally barrier methods are advised for oral sex. Same issue, though the mouth secretions are seen to be somewhat hostile to HIV.
No-one says you have to have penetrative sex. Just keep an open mind is all anyone asks.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, for that matter the ear is compact and aesthetic and very good at its job, and it has some extremely sensitive nerves inside, but that's not a good reason to stick your member into it!
(Well, unless you are God, and the ear in question is the Virgin Mary's...)
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I'm laughing so hard the tears are starting to come! )
John
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timmy
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Oral sex is talking about it.
Aural sex is listening.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Seriously...
I don't think there is anything intrinsically interesting about the anus, or the ear, or the vagina, or the legs, or the buttocks, or most parts of the body, in fact.
What I do think is that a certain amount of fetishisation goes on, much of it associated with the orgasm. Unconsciously, at the age of 12 or 13, you find yourself thinking about those parts when you masturbate. Before long, like Pavlov's dogs, you come to find not just the physical pleasure but also the associated actions and objects erotic.
I postulate this because I am, myself, almost without a sex drive. The thought of sexual organs (or, for that matter, non-sexual organs being used in a sexual way) fairly repulsive on a purely aesthetic level. And that is for historical physiological reasons which I don't really want to go into here.
Does that mean I'm not really "gay"? I actually think it's rather strong evidence for a genetic predisposition to being gay, as I still identify as such without having ever had a chance to condition myself by masturbating over boys.
Incidentally, I purposefully excluded the breast and the face from my list of parts that are not naturally attractive, as I think that it is very likely that the baby is born with an instinct that draws it towards those things. The face, to ensure a bond with others of its kind, and the breast, to ensure that it feeds properly. The first of these is constantly reinforced. The second one seems to spill over in heterosexual males when they reach puberty, though goodness knows why!
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marc
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I think you've got a lot to learn.........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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It rather depends if I want to learn it or not.
It seems to me that the point at which someone decides whether they are gay or straight, or (less frequently) whether they simply don't care about labels and will just have fun, is the point at which they start having relationships or at least having some sort of sexual contact with the same or the opposite sex (or porn, even).
Until I have that I am doomed to be an eternally unsure and naive 12 year-old...
Think back to when you were young. Didn't the thought of sex disgust you too?
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timmy
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i was intrigued by sex, everything about it. I liked masturbating, i liked the idea of girsl, was profoundly shocked when they turned into boys, and still was intrigued. I explored my body and learnt what it could do and I adored it.
Then I wanted to do it with someone else. Anyone else, provided it was on my terms.
I was shy, embarrassed, nervous, but never disgusted, I think becaise no-one had ever suggested to me that I ought to be in some way disgusted.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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i was intrigued by sex, everything about it. I liked masturbating, i liked the idea of girsl, was profoundly shocked when they turned into boys, and still was intrigued. I explored my body and learnt what it could do and I adored it.
Well, in that case you are not thinking back far enough. I don't have any experience of masturbating.
You see?
Try to think back to when you were 8 or something.
Now do you see where I am coming from?
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The first paragraph should have been quoted, as it came from Timmy.
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marc
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When I was 12.....
I was as sexually active as ever......
Ahhhhhhh....... those boy scout camp outs...... Ahhhh the variety....
And we went camping very very often too.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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When I was 8 I was playing strip poker with the boys in the woods behind my house, in the woods behind their house, in the neighbors woods, and sometimes in the woods of total strangers.
That play hardly got beyond just mutual fiddling but soon new experiences were on the horizon and with those more exploration.
So NO...... I don't see where you are coming from.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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When I was 8 I was stil interested in willies and stuff. Climbing ropes in the school gym was amazing. I had never felt anything like it. I'd love that feeling again!
We inspected each other's bodies. Even if we were to oshy to show our own.
My earliest memory sexualy is about 4 years old and exploring my anus with a pencil.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Good grief.
Whatever happened to childhood innocence?
Was I the ONLY innocent child, ever?
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timmy
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Sometimes innocence is a commodity manufactured by parents, often under the guise of "mustn't touch", or "We don't talk about that sort of thing, dear". But little kids do a lot of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" and similar stuff.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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> Sometimes innocence is a commodity manufactured by parents, often under the guise of "mustn't touch", or "We don't talk about that sort of thing, dear".
Hmm. Well, in that case I fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Honestly, though, I don't believe that every middle class household is like that! I am sure that you and Marc must be quite atypical. I lived in an isolated house in the countryside -- I could not go anywhere without an adult in tow, as the only way of getting about was by car -- and there were no neighbours. Day school was similarly regimented and supervised. Even going round to friends' houses was very carefully choreographed.
The first time I was ever able to go out on my own was when I went away to boarding school at 13, by which time I must have missed out on all of that. But I didn't get the impression then that everyone else (with the exception of a few who liked to brag about their entirely imaginary sexual conquests) was in any way more experienced than me, either.
Are you sure it wasn't actually *different* years ago when you were a child, before the hysteria of letting a child do its own thing by itself?
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timmy
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Well I loved in a quiet suburban street in a dormitory suburb of Lonodn, and I was able to go to neighbours' houses to play and ride my bike to others. Obviously not when I was 4!
I went to school 2 stations away each day, walking a mile at each end to and from stations, from the age of 7.
So I suppose it might look as if I had freedoms, though in practice there were not many.
My parents were the "Don't touch THAT dear" sort, by the way. That just made it more interesting to touch it
I learnt to masturbate at 10 or 11, not as a sexual activity exactly, more as a WOW, that feel AWESOME activity, and I found I could not stop doing it coz it felt so great Fantasies only arrived at 13 years and about 6 weeks.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, I didn't live in the suburbs and I didn't live in a village. So I really don't know much about how other people lived.
But it's definitely true that you were more exposed to the world than I was. As I said, I couldn't go anywhere except when permitted to by my parents, I didn't walk to school, I didn't have friends in the locality (because there was no way to get to them).
I was told a few times by my parents, "Don't do that!" and so I didn't. I trusted them, you see. And now, ten years later, I'm haven't really got any further.
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Deeej wrote:
> >Honestly, though, I don't believe that every middle class household is like that! I am sure that you and Marc must be quite atypical.<
Not so, Deej!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Qualification?
Remember that the people here hardly represent a random subsection of any society!
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timmy
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perhaps not, but we all know one
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timmy
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random subsection of society
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Not quite sure what you mean.
Unless you choose your friends by picking them at random from an international phone book, you cannot know anything other than a very specific subsection of society.
It seems to me that if you post here, you're likely to have had a fairly unconventional childhood, or at the very least you have become pretty unconventional since then. Not that there's anything the matter with that, but it does means that it's impossible to draw general conclusions from the responses of people round here!
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