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I am having a great deal of trouble at present with a deceiver. Not you, Warren!
This deceiver will not be around for a while. A long while. I'm not going to name him, and he was not a regular here, though he has posted sometimes in the past. I very much doubt that he will ever see this post, but right now I don't much care either way.
The worst thing is I think he has done this before and got away with it because he appears to be a regular and nice guy. In fact online you could never meet a sweeter, more caring, more compassionate soul who goes out of his way to help you and others.
This guy has led me to question my own judgement of people quite seriously. His is manipulative, controlling, devious, and not surprisingly lies very plausibly with half truths good enough to make the lie pass.
He invented a cast of many people all of whom were "helping" in some way, and all of whom made his story the more plausible, and all of whom were even available to either "talk" online or to appear to be answering questions.
To further his own ends he blackened the character of a number of people, and made sure, like all abusers, that "this was to be our little secret" in case it hurt someone else. That part I am quietly putting right.
The thing is, I am totally not sure what his objective was, except to have total control, in so far as one can control other people, of other people's lives.
I suspect this has manifested itself in many and strange ways over time. The problem is, unless I decide finally to name and shame, we will never discover it. And if I name and shame there will be a large number of people who do not realise he has fooled them who leap on me and cry "foul".
So I am stuck. I am venting, yes. I am angry as you can not believe.
The warning, for others, if there is one, is that the white knight galloping to help you is almost certainly not white and not a knight.
If you are ever feeling trapped or backed into a corner, or in some form of manufactured danger, and a "decent soul" offers to help you and that help is in any way restrictive or odd, walk quietly away from them. Check out all the oddities in the things you are told for feasibility. And believe the nagging doubts you have, not any need for secrecy or haste.
Most people are awesome, wonderful, sweet, kind and normal. Most people WILL put themselves out to help and befriend. Most people are genuine.
This one was not. He caught me and several others off guard and slipped under our defences.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Seeing as this man's actions brought the hammar of justice crashing down upon him I for one think his identity (which has thusly been made a part of the public record) should be disclosed.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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In due time it wil be possible to do that. Right now there are a few people who are frightened of him. So that dust can settle first.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I must confess I am both intrigued and baffled.
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I am pleased to say you were not involved in this in any way.
The person who caused this is someone who ingratiates himself and becomes a part of your life, actually even if you are not willing for this to happen. And having done so becomes essential to you in some way.
For the moment I will not be revealing anything publicly. I have some things to do quietly behind the scenes first.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I agree with Marc. The deceiver should be named, even if not straight away. It would be a salutory lesson and warning to all of us, but particularly to those who have been taken in. As it stands at present, the deceit is meaningless to the rest of us.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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I too have been the victim of online deceit, so can appreciate a little of what you are feeling.
I too felt so much anger when I discovered that the whole affair, (Allow me to call it a story), was a lie, I withdrew completely from the Net for a while, writings and all.
I felt outrage and humilliation that I had allowed myself to be duped, and sheer blind anger against the two people who had compounded the lie and suckered a lot of people who refused to believe that such a lie existed or that they could not have seen through it.
I almost got myself banned from the NIfty chat for being open about it and complaining to the room ops. Believe me I was so livid, I was practically smoking in my rage. (And I gave up the tobacco kind 14 years ago.)
And yet it did no good. Only time saw people coming to terms with having been duped and moving on - a pity I thought, because some of them seemed good people.
The old saying "What goes around, comes around." And it will catch up with him sometime. But feel free to name him at some stage, if only to stop this happening again.
Mike.g
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As soon as I have checked as best as I am able some facts and mended some fences I will talk to the person most affected that is known to me, and come to a conclusion.
At present the cryptic warning is the best I can do.
As with all confidence tricksters he is urbane and charming, and those under his sway still will become implaccable enemies if I get this wrong
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I absolutely promise to name him. First I have to talk to one of the boys he has hurt. I also need to talk to people he has maligned to let them know what he has been saying and doing.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Approximately this time last year there was a "panic" here about a major allegation that Robert Bryce was about to out a kid to his family. This was caused entirely by the deceiving person's lies. Robert wrote to me at the time, and I am sure I also stated at the time, that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the matter.
Though Rob and I have major differences I know him to be a decent and honourable man. There never was anything to link him to the alleged "potential outing", nor will there ever be. He is innocent of all such allegations. Things in his personal history make such an action totally abhorrent to him. He could not do it.
I am aware that, by mentioning it again, some of this mud will stick to Rob. I would ask that it does not stick.
I am posting it because I have been emailing Rob about this matter. He has asked me to post a full statement that he is innocent of the allegations. At the time they worried him and hurt him greatly. Interestingly his fears were allayed by the author of the allegations contacting Rob to "find out if he was behind them".
[Updated on: Sat, 08 October 2005 14:15]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Was he someone who posted here? How do you know him (without being too specific)?
David
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Ah -- should have read your original post again. He did post here occasionally.
"How did you become involved" might be a better question?
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timmy
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The answer is "insidiously". My trust was won by gentle and quiet approaches about nothing in particular. I felt, as so many others felt, that this person was a friend. Something unpleasant happened and he became a saviour.
It appears that, instead of being the saviour I and the person he saved thought he was, that he became an odd form of abuser. His trade was sufficient generation of fear to give him the ability to control.
The issue is that he appears to be bathed in sunlight to those who have not yet seen through him.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Reading this very sad thread, about which I have some inkling, I am reminded of the words that William Shakespeare put into the mouth of a dissapointed suitor. He had hoped to find a picture of beautiful and intelligent Portia but instead found a picture of death with the following inscription:
All that glisters is not gold;
Often have you heard that told.
Many a man his life hath sold
But my outside to behold.
Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
It is sooooooooo easy to make people believe that you are someone that you aren't on the Internet. We should be aware of this at all times. How sad.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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That is precisely the reason why I am posting it. I am meant to be old enough and wise enough to spot rogues and charlatans. I have a reasonably good nose for jerks, abusers and generally unpleasant people.
Only it seems I do not.
When under pressure we do not always make rational decisions. When presented with pressure and a saviour we cleave to the saviour.
When the saviour turns out to be a villain we even try very hard to believe he is still misjudged and on the side of the angels. We fret very hard to remain loyal to those we perceive to be our friends.
This grave deceit is not the same as the things we do to protect our identities online. There is a difference between hiding yourself and creating a deception out of malice.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I remember the incident and you did indded post an exhonorating statment explaining that R. Bryce had nothing to do with the situation as it unfolded.
I know R. Bryce well enough that he is too good a man to get involved in such an underhanded thing.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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"Mitch" the kid with learning difficulties and "Marc" his blind boyfriend who was allegedly outed by his cousin to his parents and then killed himself over it.
The boys do not exist, never did exist. They were created by this jerk in order to create an environment of trust.
Anyone who was taken in by this very cruel story and needs to talk about it should email me. It even fooled grasshopper into including them in JHS to make Mitch (yucko now) feel better.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I just hope Jamie doesn't feel as bad as I did when I was deceived in a similar way.
My first reaction was to feel such hate for this parasite who has perpetrated such a sick situation for his own gratification, and to think how it might have spoilt such a wonderful story. That Jamie had such heart to write his story for the benefit of someone he believed real, even to lighten his load just a little, shows to me what a loving soul he has. To have abused his trust, it seems appropriate to me that this person's downfall has come about sooner than it might have.
However looking at it now, it won't bother me. 'Mitch' is just a character that Jamie might have created like others in the story. It is how he deals with the character in the story that is important to me. The sun behind his words far outshines the motives of this cretin.
Reason to shine? Yeah you bet.
Mike.g
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I agree. The character of Mitch is a bit player only, unless there were other plans for him. I am simply sad that sufficient people were taken in by "Marc's" alleged suicide. (the blind gay kid).
There was so much flesh to this vignette, including grieving at the anniversary of the death, fleshing out the parents and the cousin who outed marc, dealing with a lack of grave marker, Mitch visiting the grave before "moving with his parents to Prague".
We then had Mitch having found a boyfriend at the "American School in Prague he started attending, and so much more. Odd how the boyfriend was called Lucas. So redolent of Bel Ami movies 
I guess it shows that enough trivial detail makes the incredible credible. But to be clear, none of these characters existed.
Oddly "Mitch" and "Marc" added another dimension to JHS that was for good.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I am discovering more and more that this guy duped so many people.
I have been emailing the lads at "The Mail Crew". His machinations terrified them for a while. He seemed to pick on good, decent kids, and somehow terrorise them, all the while posing as some decent soul out to protect youth from abusers.
How he ever beieved that anyone would ever trust him again I have no idea. He is writing snail mail letters to one friend asking him to visit him in teh jail where he is a current resident. That is a big no-no, the more so since he is in there after a conviction for manufacturing challenging pictures of under age boys, and has prior convictions for offences against under age boys.
I have one thing left to confirm, on or after the 20th before I name this guy. For those who know this will not be a surprise. I simply ask oyu to keep silent until then. For those who simply "knew him", it will be a rather deep shock. He set himself up, you see, as some sort of moral guardian.
But what was the endgame? How could he possibly think we would not find out?
So many abuses of trust. So many. And "such a nice guy" too. Yeah right.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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For the past 2 years of so I have "known" online one "George Paul Bishop" who represented himself to me and others as an ex US Coastguiard offcier, and a moral guardian against child porn online and so many other positive things. He set himself uo as "Deacon" a moral guardian of the internet, and "policed" other messageboards (whether with the consent of the moderators or not I have no idea) but was active in places like Deweywriter and Awesomedude.
He appeared to be a decent man, fallen into some bad luck this time last year. That alleged bad luck resulted in this:
http://tinyurl.com/agco3
I was told of this last year when he was busy being investigated for allegedly allowing minors alcohol, which seems to be a crime in the USA. It appears he had been doing more than that, though, since there was a video of wholly unlawful nature found when the police searched.
During all this time he protested his innocence.
Google searches reveal other things about Bishop or Deacon. Have a look at http://tinyurl.com/bh9n5 (you have to scroll down a little) and at http://tinyurl.com/df4xy
Even as he went to his sentencing hearing Bishop assured me that he had no prior convictions for anything, and was on the side of the angels. It seems he lied.
During the past year he invented a cast of characters, all of whim were deisgned to show what a pleasant person he is. I've already mentioned "Mitch" and his "parents", none of whom existed, and "Marc" the blind gay kid who killed himself, who never existed either.
My view is that each of these characters were carefully constructed for some purpose of entrapment, though I cannot for the life of me think what the endgame could be.
What I can tell you is that "Deacon" should never again be accorded any position of authority anywhere. No-one with convictions for interfering with children should be anywhere near minors, real or online. And he wormed his way into he trust of minors.
There may be a little extra news on this later when we find out the sentence of his sidekick.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Deacon's sidekick, Richard Evans was sentenced on the 14th of October. http://tinyurl.com/86n4o has the article.
The hard thing is I cannot say "These were deeply unpleasant men", because Bishop acted extremely pleasantly. But what Ican say is that he was devious, manipulative, controlling and very clever and understanding people who actially believed they are not gullible.
He had me believing that he was rushing to aid a friend who was being stalked by someone intent of potential physical harm.
So many things seemed reasonable then that are not reasonable now. One was that he went serious;y out of state while on bail prohibiting it. Well, of ocurse it could not be checked, but didn;t that seem like a huge risk to be taking? That made him the more credible. One was an alleged "computer weapon that was capabale of destroying the BIOS and the disk contents beyond forensic" recovery even using the motherboard's miniscule battery of the power cord were pulled. Ok, that sounded feasible until he was over enthusiastic and let drop that it worked in all operating environments including MAC and **x, and ran in 4 milliseconds. Not possible.
Amongst this unmitigated rubbish he seems to do good things. And his good advice was sufficient to validate his bad advice.
You see I am not stupid, not even gullible, but I was under the firm impression that a frioend was in real and pressing danger. And I judged one danger against another. My misjudgement means that I exposed my friend to some sort of genuine danger, and emotional harm.
Again my message is "Do not be rushed by a saviour". If it has to be "done quick" then it is probably not real.
I have been able now to close the loop with most people over this. There is one person he maligned who thiks I am the devil incarnate, and so I am not attempting to close that circle. If he talks to me I will tell him quietly and professionally about this and he will from his own judgement.
This Deacon was the man who sought to frame Robert Bryce and then came to his "aid" by phone to discover that Bryce was not to blame. Again I want to make it douibly clear that Robert had precisely nothing to do with this and was effectively the victim of a drive by abuser.
I have no idea what Deacon/Bishop/Evans end game was. I do know that they got a local random kid to play the part of Mitch. I also know they laughed at us all for believing in "Mitch" and "Marc". I kind of understand now why "Mitch" spent so much time at Bishop's place and why his "parents" were so useless at parenting.
I am guessing that we probably have a pair of social inadequates who enjoyed being in the company of youth, and enjoyed the immense feeling of power that comes with controlling naive people.
They are neither of them on my xmas card list, that is for sure.
The one thing that leaves a very odd taste in my mouth is that Deacon stated that he helped Driver 9 to leave the internet. Driver was threatened by a stalker, and felt quite reasonably in danger. He became a sensibly private person. But according to Deacon he is a personal friend of D9. Perhaps one of Driver's friends who sees this would bring it to his attention. My gut feeling is that the stalker was probably a fake, and that he was a victim of the Deacon control empire.
Anyone know how a convicted child molester could be employed by the US Coastguard? Or by the CIA? No, nor do I.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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The hard thing is I cannot say "These were deeply unpleasant men", because Bishop acted extremely pleasantly. But what I can say is that he was devious, manipulative, controlling and very clever and understanding people who actially believed they are not gullible.
Of course they were extreemily pleasant and honorable men.....
Pricks seldome gain alot of confidence.....
The coast guard..... not a chance....
The CIA or FBI..... Well those are entirely different matters.
Both of these groups are known to employ X-Convicts, utilizing their (for lack of a better word) skills in order to set up stings.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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All confidence tricksters are, without exception, the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. Until the sting.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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But now they are to be registered sex offenders.......
Now they will be watched........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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I was thinking that those who post on other boards might pick uo the salient points here and run with them.
I am more interested in warning others about the style of the deception than the actual perpetrator, though his future influence needs to be cut short.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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It's amazing to me. This story just won't go away.
I first ran onto it while doing a Google for something else and found the following link,
http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab5.cfm?newsid=13877045
Since I have a bitter aversion to pedophiles it caught my attention.
A few days later the same link showed up on the Deweywriter.com forum as a question from one of the participants in the forum. The post was quickly removed!
Until the middle of August '05 I had never been an active participant in any discussion board. Around that time I started posting to this forum as well as another one that is totally unrelated to gay issues. During the month of Oct. it has taken a sort of prominent place in both forums.
It's like I'm living in some sort of twilight zone here. I'm sure that those of you who are personaly involved with it are feeling similar only to a magnified degree.
Here's hoping that it will go away now that the slime balls are incarcerated.
John
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that sentence in my last post should have read'
"I first ran onto it in Feb. '05 while doing a Google for something else and found the following link"
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timmy
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This Deacon guy turned up in my life and in several other peoples lives as an alleged force for good. he inveigled himself into places and started a campaign to befriend and control. He created a tissue of lies and misinformation that was wholly convincing.
This will go away now. What has not been done before is to link Bishop with his alter ego of Deacon. That has now been done. The final act of this unpleasant saga is to make sure that he is given the correct exposure.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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This "issue" may go away.... But it is with us always....
I think you all have to remember is that these two are not the first....
And by no means the last....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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