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Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26938] Thu, 01 December 2005 08:19 Go to next message
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Well, actually this is just another "Famous Gay". This won't be so easy, so I'll start off with a broad clue:

Born in Australia, died in USA and with a very strong connection with Norway.

(The original photo being rather small I have enlarged it for you, which involves some loss of quality.)
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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26943 is a reply to message #26938] Thu, 01 December 2005 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heres a larger/higher-quality file of the same picture. He really is quite gorgeous.
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It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26945 is a reply to message #26943] Fri, 02 December 2005 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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David, thanks for the public service. Does this mean that you can name this person? If so, do it! Smile



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26946 is a reply to message #26938] Fri, 02 December 2005 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey JFR, can u aid me by telling me with what letter of the alphabet his name starts?



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26947 is a reply to message #26945] Fri, 02 December 2005 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well i can name the person, but I'm not really prepared to post another famous gay so I figure I'll let someone else figure it out.



It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26948 is a reply to message #26943] Fri, 02 December 2005 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This just has to be Percy Grainger.



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26949 is a reply to message #26948] Fri, 02 December 2005 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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However, the official webste has him saying that homosexuality is not for him. he was into flagellation.



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26956 is a reply to message #26948] Fri, 02 December 2005 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is no real evidence that Grainger was gay. I have found one site that says it, but every other location says nothing, or more strongly "not"

He was rather striking, though.



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26957 is a reply to message #26947] Sat, 03 December 2005 03:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One other reason I didn't want to post the name is because to find it, I literally just searched in google the terms " "born australia" "died USA" norway gay" and I didn't think that was really fair.



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It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
icon12.gif Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26958 is a reply to message #26938] Sat, 03 December 2005 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hmmm...He's was hard to find, but google is alot of help

http://gayinfo.tripod.com <<



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26959 is a reply to message #26956] Sat, 03 December 2005 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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timmy wrote:

> There is no real evidence that Grainger was gay. I have found one site that says it, but every other location says nothing, or more strongly "not"
>
> He was rather striking, though.<

First of all, yes it is Percy Grainger. Secondly, I don't know what kind of web search you did, but I offer below a few of the more reliable sites where is homosexuality is mentioned. He was so beautiful that he even turned the head of the composer Edvard Grieg who had a sexual relationship with him even though he (Grieg) was not otherwise gay as far as we know. Anyway, with a face like that he should be in our pantheon (even though he was a racist, an anti-semite, was into whipping etc etc etc.

In a couple of places I have quoted the relevant text from the site for the benefit of those who don't want to click on the links. However, I do suggest that you click on the last link: the explanation is given with the link.

Over to you, Timmmy.


Percy Grainger (1882-1961) was a gay Australian composer and pianist. Grainger was dazzlingly good-looking; both Edvard Grieg (see above) and gay American poet Vachel Lindsay (1879-1931) lost their hearts to the young man.
http://www.league-ncr.com/library/history/heritage2.html

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/media/music/1992/musicians-10.25.92

http://www.paulsgaystamps.com/The%20Victorian%20Age/The_Victorian_Age_Percy_Grainger.htm

Born in Melbourne, Grainger was a gay composer and pianist. He was dazzlingly good-looking; both Edvard Grieg and gay American poet Vachel Lindsay lost their hearts to the young man. He is remembered for a number of songs and short instrumental pieces drawing on folk idioms, particularly Country Gardens (1925). He died at White Plains, New York.
http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biog3/grai1.html

http://www.percygrainger.net/
Although this site does not mention his homosexuality (or his sadomasochism) it does offer a dazzling picture of the young man. Just click on "English". I was not able to copy this picture; not sure why.



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26960 is a reply to message #26959] Sat, 03 December 2005 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK. Internet Explorer wouldn't let me download the picture I mentioned at the end of my last post. But Firefox did!



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Re: Drop Dead Gorgeous  [message #26961 is a reply to message #26960] Sat, 03 December 2005 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok, I still think the jury is out in his being gay or not. But I'll put a new one up, tomorrow.



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Definitely Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! - but as regards racism ...  [message #26963 is a reply to message #26959] Sun, 04 December 2005 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Years ago when I began my bearded protestor phase (which I've never really left since, though I hope to grow up one day!) I was interested by Grainger's interpretation of British folk songs - folk music being a lifelong interest of mine. At that time I heard the racist accusation, but I also heard an alternative view, which I'm glad to find mentioned in several websites offering a Grainger biography. The 'racist/anti-semitic' tag was always a bit hard to swallow, since he numbered both blacks and jews among his close friends. The alternative view, which had a resonance for me because of my passion for folk music, local history and dialect, was that he opposed the idea of a cosmopolitan society because (rightly, as it turns out) he saw this as a threat to the integrity of the musical and other traditions of individual racial groups, and particularly of the Anglo-Saxon groupings to which he was so proud to belong.

In particular, it is hard to justify attachment of a racist label to a man who was a close friend and admirer of Duke Ellington, and who attempted to extol the virtues of jazz construction - essentially a black idiom - to a largely resistant White America.

Percy surely deserves his place in our pantheon; he was undoubtedly famous in his day, he left a legacy which has yet to be thoroughly critically assessed, and he WAS heart-stoppingly beautiful!

By the way, Moogle's second post below contains a link well worth following; it reminds us that being gay isn't the prerogative of English-speaking nations, and it contains a fund of ideas for subsequent winners on the 'famous gay' thread - all you need to do is choose an English speaker and find a different photograph with a bit of judicious googling. Thanx, Moog!



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It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
Thanx, cossie, But what about famous lesbians?  [message #26966 is a reply to message #26963] Sun, 04 December 2005 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know this site is male in majority, but I think a Few famous lesbians now and then would make these posts a little more interesting, don't u all think so?

In fact, many good lesbian friends and important people have acheived alot in the last few years.

I'm not saying this is a must, but I'm positive that it'll make google work at least a bit harder... and the search all the more fun
So you "famous gay" posters could take it into account, perhaps in the next five or six posts...

Just an idea...



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Re: Thanx, cossie, But what about famous lesbians?  [message #26969 is a reply to message #26966] Sun, 04 December 2005 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Win one, post one Smile



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Re: Thanx, cossie, But what about famous lesbians?  [message #26975 is a reply to message #26966] Mon, 05 December 2005 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While I take Moogle's point (and agree with it), to be absolutely fair let's recall that we have already had in this series Dana International, Edna Ferba and Mary Renault.



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Re: Definitely Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! - but as regards racism ...  [message #26976 is a reply to message #26963] Mon, 05 December 2005 06:17 Go to previous message
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cossie wrote:

> The 'racist/anti-semitic' tag was always a bit hard to swallow, since he numbered both blacks and jews among his close friends... In particular, it is hard to justify attachment of a racist label to a man who was a close friend and admirer of Duke Ellington <

This is good to read. To bolster the point let's also mention close collaboration with George Gershwin. However, Cossie, remember the old response to the accusation of racism: "Some of my best friends are Jews".



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