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'Boy joins a sordid internet world'  [message #27166] Tue, 20 December 2005 11:07 Go to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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An interesting extract from the New York Times complete with video interview:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/19/national/19kids.ready.html?emc=eta1

I recognise Justin from another site where he used to advertise himself. The ads had all the appearance of innocence and a much older boy.

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Re: 'Boy joins a sordid internet world'  [message #27167 is a reply to message #27166] Tue, 20 December 2005 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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Having read and listened to the article it seems pretty odd that his parents didn't work out that something unusual was happening.

I certainly don;t believe in supervising kids all the time. But I do believe in taking an interest in your kids' lives and in understanding where large incomes come from.

I sure don't blame Justin for running this. Easy money, seemingly. After all, who would not consider jacking off on cam for $50 a viewing?

But the obvious danger to the boy of revealing personal details to people in order to receive the funds..... That is just too much for anyone, kid or adult, to risk.



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Re: 'Boy joins a sordid internet world'  [message #27185 is a reply to message #27167] Wed, 21 December 2005 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tBP is currently offline  tBP

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thank the gods for investigative journalism

it strikes me though, and i find it scary, that in the way they act, descriptions of how they talk what they say, there seems to be little difference between some of these predators, and people who genuinely would want to help a young person they happened to meet.
guess the difference is someone who wants to help isn't gonna ask you to strip for them, but the point remains, that at least to begin with, these people actually help the child in a way.... course, thats not really relevant coz it soon goes downhill and becomes exploitive and wrong...

its strange, i know of camwhores... its not hard to find them, go into any gay teen chat room and you'll see messages like 14/m/USA c2c... and i've seen younger as well
but most of the people i see like that also are only looking to do it with other teenagers
i think we can all see something wrong with a 4oyr asking a teen camwhore to strip and paying him money for it... ignoring the fact that it is actually illegal, is it JUST as wrong for 2 14yr old camwhores do watch each other, without money being involved
seems to me that it isn't. as the internet becomes more popular, more prevalent, people have, and prefer, online virtual lives as opposed to real ones... guess i'm one of them too lol...
point is though, that these teenage c2c things are no different then 2 friends IRl having a mutual whack off session with some shared porn...



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Re: 'Boy joins a sordid internet world'  [message #27187 is a reply to message #27185] Wed, 21 December 2005 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
timmy

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The issue is the use that can be made and is made by unscrupulous people who pose as a sweet and charming friend and then sell the pictures they obtain by this deception. This hurts like hell if you are the victim.

I know tow victims of picture theft and sale. Neither feels happy (understatement) about the situation, and each has been trying to find his pictures and get them removed. It is a fruitless quest. But they cannot accept that emotionally despite understanding it intellectually.

What is wrong with 2 kids of 14 jerking off over a cam for each other?

Intellectually nothing. In practice the images are unlawful both to send and to receive. They are minors and possession of such images is unlawful as is making them.

As for "the difference between someone who genuinely wants to help" and a predator, it is huge. Those who want to help have no interest in your looks, age, orientation and are certainly not interested in seeing your bidy parts. They do not seek to meet you, not to contact you, nor to cajole you into doing anything.

A predator will pose as a helper and friend but soon reveals true colours: a question too far; a request where none was warranted; offers of gifts, etc

Get to know the perosn on the other end properly and gently. Avoid haste or any rush and especially avoid anyone who suddenly tells you of a huge danger (George Paul Bishop aka Deacon comes to mind here - just what he was after we have no idea, but he was assuredly after it) and that he will protect you from it.

Put simply, make sure that you act with common sense. Never be rushed. And, if you are feeling vulnerable, remember that 9 times out of 10 your local real life friends will help you get out of any mess you are in far better than a weird stranger online who wants to know too much about you.

Strangers have value. They cannot judge you. And, as a kid named Chad used to say when he was 14 or so "Strangers have the best candy".



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Re: 'Boy joins a sordid internet world'  [message #27235 is a reply to message #27187] Sun, 25 December 2005 02:14 Go to previous message
Guwag is currently offline  Guwag

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I couldn't agree with you more there Timmy, everyone has to be so careful nowadays.

One thing I will always thank my parents for though is the fact that I had unsupervised internet access. I've been online continuously for 10 years and I learnt my way around and learnt a hell of a lot of common sense and became "Net-Smart" because I saw all the bad and all the good.

Doesn't mean I would let my kids do that (If I had any!) now though because IMHO the net has become a far more dangerous place than it was in 1995.

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