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Famous Gays has stalled. First to post one carries on.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Timmy
Not sure what this is about, but Ill give it a try.
Has anybody done Phillip, Alexander the greats father? He was killed by his boy lover. the boy was exceptionally beautiful, but Phillip later chose another boy and the first one killed him. Jealous I guess. Anyway saw this on the History channel.
If this isnt right Ill just sit back and watch. 
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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timmy
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It's like right and is good info, but needs a different approach
What we do is the other way around. We post clues and often a picture and try to get people to guess. The perosn who guesses right then poses another question.
I never knew about Alexander's dad though
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Thanks
Guess Ill try that again in the right way ;-D
Ok hes Greek and really smart (the Greeks really had this thing for boys), he was Alexander the greats teacher.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Hi Brian, and a belated welcome to this MB. I see that you are quickly making yourself at home. That's good.
I think you must have been reading "Fire From Heaven". Anyway, the teacher of Alexander (and Hephaistion) was Aristotle.
If I am right you have to now post a reply indicating that your Famous Gay was, indeed, Aristotle (and for the sake of completeness I attach his 'photograph' LOL.)
For a reasonably updated list of all the Famous Gays who have appeared in this series so far (to make sure you don't repeat someone who has already been featured) you can use this link: http://forum.iomfats.org/w-agora/index.php?site=forumiomfatsorg&bn=forumiomfatsorg_placeofsafety&action=list
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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while i'm not doubting the validity of the clues... there are many who would say aristotle was not gay at all... a pederast perhaps... but that was fairly normal in greek society anyway, but it isn't necessarily the same as being gay...
i believe it was socrates that is generally considered the gay one...
of course, attaching modern labels to ancient greek culture is never the easiest thing in the world
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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timmy
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Pederasty was, surley, only practised in ancient Greece between men and teenage boys?
Logic says this is thus a specialised variant of homosexuality in this ancient Greek case?
Generic pederasty is between adults of either gender and children (immature body form) of either gender, and is almost certainly wholly different from either homosexuality or heterosexuality.
Amusing to think of the businesses nowadays who run Symposia. The classic definition is a drinking party of men where a teenage boy is iniated into sexual matters with them often at the behest of his father.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hi JFR
Yep, Aristotle is the one. Im not reading Fire From Heaven, but I do watch the History channel a lot. They ran a show about Alexander the great and had all this neat stuff about who was doing who. I dont know about the pedarist stuff, all I know is he was tried for corrupting the youth of Greece. I think he got off tho, cause everybody else was corrupting them to.  ) :-[
Thanks for your welcome, I am haveing a good time here and meeting some great guys. Timmy and Marc have warned me to be careful so I am. Thanks again
Brian
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Said Timmy:
> Generic pederasty is between adults of either gender and children (immature body form) of either gender
I don't think you're right here; I think most (educated) people use paederasty to refer to a relationship between a man and an adolescent boy, as the Greeks used it.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paederasty
The word itself doesn't really have any clues; the Greek word "pais", from which it is derived, can refer to boy of any age. However, it is certainly true that in modern English usage "paederast" is not nearly as loaded a word as "paedophile", which, while using the same root, definitely refers to an adult who has an attraction to pre-pubertal children.
David
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Hi,
I heard a guy, proffessor or something, on the history channel say that the Greeks used Homosexuality as a form of birth control. after they had so many kids they would find a boy and take him in and feed and cloth him and see that he got an education, and we know what in exchange for. Course Im not sure if it worked or not. lol
Oh, yeh, In the olympics back then. the marathon runner when he finished was made love to buy the men and then killed as a sacrifice.
I dont know if all of this is fact just what I heard, so if im wrong dont shoot me.
Brian
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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cossie
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... and why not? I ask myself ... I agree with Deeej that the word in question is in general use almost exclusively applied to male-male relationships, but I cringe at his spelling - though I admit that it isn't technically incorrect.
It's certainly true that in British English, several of the P*d- words derived from 'pais' are still customarily rendered as 'Paed-', as in paediatrician, paedophile, etc., 'Ped-' being dismissed as a nasty Americanism. However, our Americam cousins are only following our own example - these words are of nineteenth century origin, and we simply haven't got round to changing them yet. Nowadays, 'Pedagogue' - a word with a 700-year pedigree - has long been exclusively written as 'Ped-', and 'Pederast', which dates back 400 years, is predominantly written as 'Pederast' rather than 'Paederast', the latter form being regarded as obsolescent since the middle of the last century.
So c'mon, Deeej - go with the flow! How about a New Year resolution to begin at least one sentence in ten with a conjunction? ;-D
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Er... Shouldn't that be 'paed-antic'? [ducks]
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Should we now run all paedants out of town?
Or is that pendants?
As for good old Pat Pending......
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cossie
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... I just KNEW someone would come up with that!
And JFR, just be careful whom you address as 'ducks', or one of my paedal appendages will be conjoined with your but(t)!!!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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timmy
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Webbed boot?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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Of course. What else would one use on the internet!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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