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Famous Person of the homosexual persuasion  [message #27297] Tue, 03 January 2006 00:16 Go to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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Perhaps too famous to represent a challenge, but it's a nice picture, at least. And we haven't had him yet, either.
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Re: Famous Person of the homosexual persuasion  [message #27298 is a reply to message #27297] Tue, 03 January 2006 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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Deeej, can I ask you, most seriously, to consider changing the last word of your subject line?

Homosexuality is anything but a 'persuasion' as everybody on the MB knows from personal experience. (If someone has been persuaded to be homosexual then ipso facto they are not homosexual but a heterosexual person who has chosen homosexual behaviour.)

If there is one claim that we constantly hear from detractors it is that homosexuality is a matter of choice (as hinted in the term 'persuasion'). It is not a matter of choice: homosexuality is an orientation, a variation in human sexuality - just as heterosexuality is an orientation. And we have no more control over our orientation that does the heterosexual over his or hers. (We have control over our behaviour but not over our orientation.)

So, please consider editing your subject-line.



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: Famous Person of the homosexual persuasion  [message #27301 is a reply to message #27298] Tue, 03 January 2006 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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Er, I really meant it soley as a figure of speech; I must confess I didn't think too much about the precise semantics of the title before submitting it. You are right that it has connotations that I didn't intend. I simply meant "Famous person who happens to have been gay", rather than "Famous gay person" which itself suggests that he might not have been famous if he hadn't been gay, but in this case, certainly, he would. Oh, the perils of political correctness!

Nevertheless, I stand by my original title, since homosexual (rightly or wrongly) can also be used to imply behaviour, and behaviour is generally a persuasion, and this particular chap undoubtedly went in for homosexual behaviour. (Good grief, I think I'm digging myself even deeper into this hole, aren't I?) He was arrested for cottaging in 1953, when it was well and truly illegal, yet instead of being shunned he was given a standing ovation on his next public performance.

Incidentally, is Timmy, despite being gay, a person of the heterosexual persuasion?
Clue  [message #27302 is a reply to message #27301] Wed, 04 January 2006 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He died in 2000, and, as I've already hinted, was involved in the performing arts...
Re: Clue  [message #27304 is a reply to message #27302] Wed, 04 January 2006 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Famous Person of the homosexual persuasion  [message #27305 is a reply to message #27297] Wed, 04 January 2006 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course. I was thinkimng of Larry but it's Johnnie

John Gielgud, who else?



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Re: Famous Person of the homosexual persuasion  [message #27308 is a reply to message #27305] Thu, 05 January 2006 10:12 Go to previous message
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Indeed.
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